how do you do it?

[cbit]

I think my answer is / was very approriate. IF I need an FM synth and I'm trying WusikStation, I'd be happy if someone would point me towards Sytrus.

this example doesnt fit the situation..

ok..i'm very simple. i really liked acid beause

.. because sean already used acid. Your patronising 'Tracktion is not ACID' answer reads as 'go home if you're not 100% satisfied with tracktion'.

[.jon]

I think good manual is always a big bonus.

By good I mean deep. Learning a program without a manual is always possible, especially Tracktion... but a thorough manual that includes _all_ the possibilities with suggestions on how to apply them to real work can make anyone a power-user. Stating the functionality, shortcuts and actual benefits separate good user guides from bad.

Besides, I like to read manuals on the toilet and bus seats, so I can max the time I have with the DAW on actual music-making

[Lava]

I reread his question 5 times, but DO NOT see a feature request for Tracktion, only a request for a clearer manual.

...Which somehow means that, in this thread, nobody is allowed to ask for ACID-like functionality in Tracktion?

[M'Snah]

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[braj]

HansM: Obviously there was something he found lacking in Acid, thus his getting Tracktion. Suggesting he use Acid didn't seem too constructive to me.

[M'Snah]

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[cbit]

Hans: I responded in the way that i did because i don't like to see new users being told to stick to their previous software if they're not completely happy with tracktion. Whether that was your intention or not, that was how your post looked.

sean: tracktion lacks in a few areas that acid seems to excel at at the moment.. most notably timestretch quality and the ability to 'paint' repeating loops (if i understand it's capabilities correctly). But like i think you've already noticed, working in tracktion is for the most part, a joy.. so welcome!.. and feel free to join in asking for the features that are important to you.

[Warmonger]

As far as I can tell, the ability to paint loops is in Acid because that's the kind of sequencing it is made for. If you're making music that relies heavily on loops, then painting is probably a big deal, and since Acid is really good at that, you should stick to that. Tracktion will probably never do it as well as the original. If you only need to use it occasionally (like most people who use Tracktion would), then the workarounds posted earlier should be sufficient.

I'm not saying T shouldn't ever change, but one of the great things about it is that it has most of the features that its core userbase wants, with little fluff. When every feature that is requested is added to Tracktion, it will be no different from Cubase, and I (among others) will have to look for another new host.

While I clearly don't think it should be added, it's a perfectly valid feature request, and I'm sure Jules will give it due consideration.

[Lunch Money]

I disagree. Quality timestretch is one issue, but Acid-style looping is something that would -easily- fit into the Tracktion way of doing things. I already DO my drum-beats acid style, but instead of 'painting', I use CTRL+C (copy) and CTRL+V (paste) to lay down as many loops as I want.

However, without true ACID- or REX- like support, you have to carefully pick your drumbeat construction kit ahead of time, at the right tempo, or you're going to be miserable.

So, I think it can, and SHOULD be implemented at some point in time.

Greg

[ModuLR]

the functionality is almost there. They just need to kill the "loop this clip" button... and find an alternative way to put a clip into loop mode (maybe a modifier key combo + dragging the outter arrow).

anyway for the time being, if I had to loop something with paint like functionality.. I'd just hit "loop this clip" then drag the outter arrow to the length desired. If you wanted the loop in a different section, I'd ctrl-c the looped clip, then paste.. that way you can continue to drag it to adjust the length similar to painting.

The one reason painting worked so well in Acid is because it had a one track per clip methodology. You could brush anywhere, and you'd know what clip it was working with... in this situation it's advantageous, but in others it's obviously not.

[reconfig]

[quote="Lunch Money"]I disagree. Quality timestretch is one issue, but Acid-style looping is something that would -easily- fit into the Tracktion way of doing things. I already DO my drum-beats acid style, but instead of 'painting', I use CTRL+C (copy) and CTRL+V (paste) to lay down as many loops as I want.

I agree with you L Money. I think that the next best thing ACID does is the integrated loop preview window. That alone would make me buy T2