Whats's up?
Blank recordings
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- KVRist
- 367 posts since 29 Dec, 2004 from east coast, usa
In Tracktion.....been using it just for hosting and listening to some softsynths, but decided to try a recording. I followed the directions, put that arrow pointing to the track and randomly played some notes. The track turns pink and says "recording," but upon playback there is nothing. Levels are up, and I hear the synth when I'm recording, but after it's over, playback is nada!
Whats's up?
Whats's up?
I've heard of Music Concrete...is there Music Asphalt?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Could be a few different things, but we'd need more information.
What I suspect is happening is that you are pointing an audio device at a track that contains softsynths and pressing record. Tracktion's response is the same as what any host would be. It thinks you're trying to record from your soundcard's input! What do you have hooked up to your soundcard's input? Not your softsynth, I can tell you that!
You need to be recording the MIDI information. That means having a MIDI keyboard or other input device, and pointing the MIDI device at the track before you press 'record'. Hint: most 'QWERTY' keyboard options and your softsynth's 'GUI keyboard' will NOT output MIDI information to the track without some trickery.
So, without going too much more in-depth, could you help out by telling us:
1. Which kind of input is being pointed at the track
2. Which softsynth you're using
3. What device you are using to trigger the softsynth
Greg
What I suspect is happening is that you are pointing an audio device at a track that contains softsynths and pressing record. Tracktion's response is the same as what any host would be. It thinks you're trying to record from your soundcard's input! What do you have hooked up to your soundcard's input? Not your softsynth, I can tell you that!
You need to be recording the MIDI information. That means having a MIDI keyboard or other input device, and pointing the MIDI device at the track before you press 'record'. Hint: most 'QWERTY' keyboard options and your softsynth's 'GUI keyboard' will NOT output MIDI information to the track without some trickery.
So, without going too much more in-depth, could you help out by telling us:
1. Which kind of input is being pointed at the track
2. Which softsynth you're using
3. What device you are using to trigger the softsynth
Greg
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 367 posts since 29 Dec, 2004 from east coast, usa
Yes, I kinda assumed that after thinking about Tracktion's signal flow diagram. Oops! Well, I was trying to record a very unusual softsynth--one of those "wheel of fortune" ones that plays itself. But....since it plays itself without needing any MIDI controller input, how do I record it within a track?It thinks you're trying to record from your soundcard's input!
I've heard of Music Concrete...is there Music Asphalt?
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- KVRAF
- 6937 posts since 4 Jun, 2004 from Utrecht, Holland
Maybe a wee bit of misconception... Softsynths don't need to be recorded within a track. They can perform their trick time after time on the command of the Play button in your sequencer.
Wheel of Fortune synth, not needing any midi controller input? I wouldn't want any Free Willies playing whatever they like in my VSTi orchestra! It must have controls of some kind...
Wheel of Fortune synth, not needing any midi controller input? I wouldn't want any Free Willies playing whatever they like in my VSTi orchestra! It must have controls of some kind...
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 367 posts since 29 Dec, 2004 from east coast, usa
Well, I've taken time to program and tweak this "free playing" softsynth, and want to use it for a background texture. I've got a great part to play over top of it. So there's no way to record the audio of it onto a track? Jeeeeez. 
I've heard of Music Concrete...is there Music Asphalt?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
There are controls, but there is also randomization to the Wheel of Fortune.
For THAT particular instrument, I would be tempted to just enter notes on the piano roll. Here's what to do:
Select the track. In the dialog window (the options at the bottom), click "Insert New Clip" and insert a MIDI clip. Drag it to the size of your track if you want, though you can always just drag as needed. Horizontally resize either manually or by double-clicking, so that you can see the piano roll.
Use the pencil tool to draw each note change in. If it's only one note that will be played for the whole song, then so be it! Just draw a whole note from beginning to end! Now, whenever you press "play", you should hear that one note triggering Wheel of Fortune.
Advance warning: Start your song at measure 2 instead of Measure 1, but keep the MIDI clip dragged all the way back to the beginning, thus avoiding the infamous "dropped note" bug.
Greg
For THAT particular instrument, I would be tempted to just enter notes on the piano roll. Here's what to do:
Select the track. In the dialog window (the options at the bottom), click "Insert New Clip" and insert a MIDI clip. Drag it to the size of your track if you want, though you can always just drag as needed. Horizontally resize either manually or by double-clicking, so that you can see the piano roll.
Use the pencil tool to draw each note change in. If it's only one note that will be played for the whole song, then so be it! Just draw a whole note from beginning to end! Now, whenever you press "play", you should hear that one note triggering Wheel of Fortune.
Advance warning: Start your song at measure 2 instead of Measure 1, but keep the MIDI clip dragged all the way back to the beginning, thus avoiding the infamous "dropped note" bug.
Greg
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- KVRist
- 146 posts since 14 May, 2004 from Orygone
Trappist, one way to record the audio from a Vsti is to loop your audio output to your audio input with a patch cord or cords. another way would be to "render" the track to audio, then "import" it back into your mix. To do this you will need to put a midi clip on the track with at least one note in it, then drag the clip to the length that you want to record...however, this really isn't necessary, as the output from the Vsti will be rendered to audio when you export the final mix. So, in the meantime, all you have to do is leave the Vsti on the track and let it do it's thing...
Hope I understood your question correctly and hope this helps...
Good luck.
Hope I understood your question correctly and hope this helps...
Good luck.
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- KVRAF
- 6740 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from sheffield, england
I don't think you need any notes at all: a blank MIDI clip should work fine.edelweiss wrote: To do this you will need to put a midi clip on the track with at least one note in it, then drag the clip to the length that you want to record...
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
The MIDI clip will resize automatically as you play. Are you using a controller keyboard to play the notes?
Greg
Greg
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 367 posts since 29 Dec, 2004 from east coast, usa
I just started using Tracktion--lots of this is going right over my head. The documentation is good in some places and vague in others. I'm using a Korg Triton for a controller, but I wanted to use "Wheel of Fortune" for a quick and easy texture maker. Guess it ain't to be.
I just figured if I could hear sounds, there would be an EASY way to instantly record them. Oh well.
I just figured if I could hear sounds, there would be an EASY way to instantly record them. Oh well.
I've heard of Music Concrete...is there Music Asphalt?
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- KVRAF
- 6740 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from sheffield, england
If the sounds are being generated by a plug-in, simply render the track surely..?trappist wrote:I just figured if I could hear sounds, there would be an EASY way to instantly record them. Oh well.
Select the track, press the render button, choose "render into project directory" and then choose whether you want the new audio added to the arrangement on a new track, or whether it should replace the original track.
Dead easy.. unless I've mis-understood you..?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
OK, easy--
Your Triton is obviously plugged in and usable in Tracktion. All you do is point the MIDI device at the track (it's already pointed, or you wouldn't be able to make noise with WOF!) and press 'record'. No need to point the audio device to it, as well.
Greg
Your Triton is obviously plugged in and usable in Tracktion. All you do is point the MIDI device at the track (it's already pointed, or you wouldn't be able to make noise with WOF!) and press 'record'. No need to point the audio device to it, as well.
Greg
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 367 posts since 29 Dec, 2004 from east coast, usa
OK, that's got it. Thanks.....keep in mind, I'm used to a stand-alone hardware recorder where I plug in my synths and modules and "away we go." But this is a new experience. I assume you've all been using Tracktion for awhile, and figured out most of it. I wasn't too excited about the help files that came with the program. (Which I should read again anyway.) They seemed a bit skimpy.simply render the track surely..?
Tried that at first last night, and just got a blank recording.Your Triton is obviously plugged in and usable in Tracktion. All you do is point the MIDI device at the track (it's already pointed, or you wouldn't be able to make noise with WOF!) and press 'record'.
I've heard of Music Concrete...is there Music Asphalt?
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- KVRAF
- 6740 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from sheffield, england
Let me get this straight: You have your MIDI input pointed to a track, your synth is inserted on the track, and you can play it from your keyboard.. is that correct?trappist wrote:Tried that at first last night, and just got a blank recording.Your Triton is obviously plugged in and usable in Tracktion. All you do is point the MIDI device at the track (it's already pointed, or you wouldn't be able to make noise with WOF!) and press 'record'.
Now you say you press record, and play your synth, but the resulting clip contains no notes?
If so that seems very odd..
You do realise that recording in this way will record MIDI not audio? ie: you are recording a set of instructions for the synth regarding what to play when, NOT the actual sound coming from it (use render for that) so nothing will be recorded unless you play some notes, or twiddle a controller.. even if the synth is happily playing itself with no input.. Sorry if thats too basic, but you say you are used to a hardware recorder so I'm mentioning this just in case!
