KVR Audio

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:50 pm

fake wrote:What size should they be done in and what is the best codec and frame rate to use?

For TV in Europe, it needs to be 720x576 D1 pixels [non-square] or 768x576 square pixels, at 25fps and it should be interlaced fields, not frames. For TV it must be uncompressed. For widescreen it is 1024x576 square pixels.
For TV in NorAm, it needs to be 720x486 NTSC-D1 or 640x480 square at 29.97fps, interlaced.
For the web, who cares. DivX will give you some of the best quality/size ratios and is fairly common these days. Sorenson codec is about the best for Quicktime. MPEG4 is pretty well supported these days and seems to do an OK job.

If i use mpeg 4 do I compress the audio first to mp3 and then render or do i use a wav?

The audio should be uncompressed as the video compressor will recompress it anyway.

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:50 pm

multree wrote:the sunydale ending clip is done with a photocamera and WindowsMovieMaker

Some things just work so much better in the hands of somebody who knows what he's doing.

For me WMM is such a pain to work with.

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:54 pm

BTW, comming back to the original question. Agreat site to find help on codexes etc is.

http://www.videohelp.com/

All the knowlwdge still did not help me to make block busters, but that's only because I'm just me.

Colonel Flashback · Post by **Colonel Flashback** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:12 pm

Thanks to "Milkdrop for Winamp" each mp3 on my HDD has a kick-ass video...

ocp · Post by **ocp** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:22 pm

Manc Chris wrote:Heard a lot of great music on here, but not as yet seen any of it put to video.

Anyone doing this? Be interested in seeing examples and, if poss, what tools they are using?

Check this out: http://www.geocities.com/pygar_pygar/index.html

Everything is edited in Premiere. Some of the effects come from a Blaupunkt video mixer on it's limit, After Effects is used now and then, and live, Resolume is "the tool".

Cheers!

multree · Post by **multree** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:51 pm

Sepheritoh wrote:
multree wrote:the sunydale ending clip is done with a photocamera and WindowsMovieMaker
Some things just work so much better in the hands of somebody who knows what he's doing.

For me WMM is such a pain to work with.

it was a pita for me, too..... and the photocamera could only record 30 seconds a piece....

so I had to work quite abit

WMM is shit though.... the timing gets screwed after 2 minutes

fake · Post by **fake** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:57 am

Thanks for the info and the links, that has helped a lot!

I used indeo 5 at 25 fps and 640x480 but compressed the audio into mp3 first!

Bit of experimenting to do now.

Cheers

fake

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:12 am

BONES wrote:For TV in NorAm, it needs to be 720x486 NTSC-D1 or 640x480 square at 29.97fps, interlaced.

Just curious what standards require 640x480? To me, 640x480 represents the early days of Mac-based video editing, when the manufacturers could only manage 640x480 and tried to claim it was "Broadcast" quality. The other part of the equation is DV/DVD resolution, which is 720x480 non-square or 720x534 square pixels, 29.97fps.

But back to the original question...

Like Bones, I work professionally as an animator/editor/producer (and sometimes software programmer) for corporate and broadcast video. I have lots of ideas for videos, at least one in the works right now, but the sad truth is that after doing that sort of thing all day, I feel more inclined to make music when I come home from work. I'm also spending a lot of my free time right now writing a new animation program for my own use.

Speaking of which, this thread is probably another good time to plug Art of Illusion, the free, open-source 3D animation program written by my brother. http://www.artofillusion.org

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:06 am

fancy seein you in here bernie,yep cool vid if a little on the large side,nice to see some pointers on shrinkage i was kinda wonderin myself
have to keep an eye on this thread methinks

hao nao · Post by **hao nao** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:19 am

a side note: one of my brothers has been really enthusiastic about machinima, where you use a 3d game engine to make movies

maybe some music videos will come out of this?

http://www.machinima.org

http://www.machinima.com

sonicfire · Post by **sonicfire** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:30 am

Armadillo wrote:
Chase wrote:I remember someone here made a DnB video of a kitten riding a motorcycle with a sword, and it was as awesome as it sounds!

Anyone remember the link? Who did it?
It's http://www.youthofbritain.com/chillout/

the main site is http://www.rathergood.com/
that guy is funny.

...great music by the way

vtx · Post by **vtx** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:33 am

to compare compression with the indeo codecs try the version 5.04 which is the last version before ligos took over, theres is 5.1 thats out there now.
I found the 5.04 superior to the next version from ligos.
the files for 5.04 are on win98se disc. I just ripped em, put em in sys32 xp and it works wonderful in premiere

does using non-square pixels 720x480 render properly to an avi or do you have to go to mpeg2?
anyone..

thanx

jdg · Post by **jdg** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:05 am

my buddy fredo does his own videos.
quit amazing. the man is skilled for sure (music and image!)

http://www.fredoviola.com/the_sad_song.html

amazing. he even shot it with his digital still camera, that takes 15sec AVIs, then edited them together.

email him.. he loves to talk about it!

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:59 am

deastman wrote:Just curious what standards require 640x480? To me, 640x480 represents the early days of Mac-based video editing, when the manufacturers could only manage 640x480 and tried to claim it was "Broadcast" quality.

NTSC D-1 pixels are tall, PAL D-1 pixels are wide but in both cases the final product is 4:3. That's 640x480 square pixels for NTSC and 768x576 for PAL.

The other part of the equation is DV/DVD resolution, which is 720x480 non-square or 720x534 square pixels, 29.97fps.

Only in the USA, Canada, Japan and South Korea. The rest of the world has much better quality broadcast images than you guys because you guys were first and we all adopted a newer, better standard. More colours than you too [but not in DV].

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:03 pm

vtx wrote:does using non-square pixels 720x480 render properly to an avi or do you have to go to mpeg2?
anyone..

Non-square pixels are supported by all movie formats, including AVI and Quicktime but unless you are doing stuff for TV you are better off using square pixels. MPEG2 is just a compression codec, the resulting files can still be .avi or .mov. DVD movies are, of course, a whole 'nuther thing.

Anyone making their own music vids?