Convo Boy feedback?

[thockin]

Look, implemented math is math.

Hosts *do* sum the same. The difference is everything around them.

I personally took PristineSpace and SIR, ran some samples through them with the same impulse, and then cross-mixed them. They exactly cancel out.

Anyone who says Pristine Space sounds better than SIR is selling you snake oil. There are plenty of reasons Pristine Space is better than SIR, but sound is not one of them. All due respect to Aleksey (Voxengo) and Knufi (SIR).

[lex_strooder]

Look, implemented math is math.

No, the computer has to have precedence in the series of calculations. e.g. 1+2 => (1+(1+1)) and ((1)+1)+1)... how would you implement it ???

Hosts *do* sum the same. The difference is everything around them.

No, they dont sum the same...

I personally took PristineSpace and SIR, ran some samples through them with the same impulse, and then cross-mixed them. They exactly cancel out.

That happens in almost all audio playback devices, it just plays the file. But it is when the levels are set at a non original db that makes the difference, the same goes for hosts.

Anyone who says Pristine Space sounds better than SIR is selling you snake oil. There are plenty of reasons Pristine Space is better than SIR, but sound is not one of them. All due respect to Aleksey (Voxengo) and Knufi (SIR).

I did not say it sounded better, only cleaner and clearer.

/ Lex

[thockin]

No, the computer has to have precedence in the series of calculations. e.g. 1+2 => (1+(1+1)) and ((1)+1)+1)... how would you implement it ???

Are you trying to make a point? All those things add up to the same result. Whether you do it in binary, ternary, hex, or decimal.

No, they dont sum the same...

Yes, they do. They all add. They do plenty of other things along the way, but in the end they all add.

I did not say it sounded better, only cleaner and clearer.

And the earth is flat. I know because a friend told me. You can believe anything you want, but to continue to do so in the face of contrary evidence is inane (it's also called religion).

Believe what you want, but I've made my point. They sound the same. I seem to recall Aleksey concurring.

[lex_strooder]

thockin, we have a difference in oppinion, or belief, thats nice, I think we both respect that.



















but you are wrong....

just kidding

cheers
Lex

[thockin]

I'd love to chalk it up to "difference of opinion". I have the opinion that ((1+1)+1) = (1+(1+1)) = 3 and you seem to believe something else.

Want to buy a bridge? Special deal, for you only. Cheap.

[PeterL]

ConvoBoy, SIR, PristineSpace, IR-1...
I think they all sound the same with the same impulse and no other processing like filter,eq...(will test them over the weekend).
But different plugins have different features.
In my case Voxengo PristineSpace still rules for its features (also over the expensive Waves IR-1), although in ConvoBoy you have the possibility to save a modified impulse as a new impulse in the full version.

[Space Boy]

It's good to see feedback. If I can comment on a few items:

I would like a lot Convoboy it was a freeware convulution plugin with zero latency and a browser.
By now, i don't use it anymore, and i think it is a pity...

Convo Boy v1.03:

1. Is free.
2. Has lower latency than SIR.
3. Has a browser for choosing IRs.
4. Has quite a few more features that SIR does not have (like being able to load mono IRs (not even of the same length) and combine them.
5. Easier to use (a question of taste but...)

Because v1.06 has some more unique features, it isn't free, but it also isn't expensive, and I will be adding some more features (e.g. 7 band EQ + 'something else' in the near future).

On the Convolution story. Convolution is convolution, FFT is FFT. It is an exact process. If you get it even slightly incorrect - the error is obvious. Because FFT based convolution is a burst process, there are some tricks in programming required in order to spread the CPU load evenly. These tricks may be different between vendors, but it should not affect the audio. The other main ways in which convolution engines may differ are in:

• The bit depth used for calculations.
• The way the result is mixed with the dry signal can make a large difference in the way the sound is perceived. Even the gain makeup on the convolution result (just a multiplication) will make a very different perception of the result when mixed with the dry signal (this is automatic in some products).
• The addition of postprocessing filters to add warmth etc.

So, if you compare the raw output of most convolution engines they should be the same. I think somebody (Kriminal) did this already - and posted the comparison. I just checked the thread and the result has disappeared.

[morelia]

Sorry if this is OT but just wondering if this is still the case "FreEq Boy is FREE for existing Elevayta customers", as found here http://www.kvraudio.com/get/986.html

[Space Boy]

Sorry if this is OT but just wondering if this is still the case "FreEq Boy is FREE for existing Elevayta customers", as found here http://www.kvraudio.com/get/986.html

Only before up to June last year - it was a promotion up to then.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48012

The details in the KvR database are incorrect in this respect.

[Aleksey Vaneev]

thockin, the difference lays in math calculation precision plane. SIR and Pristine Space *do not* give same results.

Maybe this difference is not as big as it seems, but it exists nevertheless.

Of course, it may be so small there's no sense in getting Pristine Space for the sake of it alone, but this quality allowed me to implement oversampling in Elephant 2, resampling code of r8brain PRO. It is a high quality.

[sinkmusic]

Convo Boy v1.03:

Is free.
Has lower latency than SIR.
Has a browser for choosing IRs.
Has quite a few more features that SIR does not have (like being able to load mono IRs (not even of the same length) and combine them.
Easier to use (a question of taste but...)

_ ok : sorry for the browser (i was thinking about revolverb lite : non latency, but non browser);
_ nethertheless, i can't find the real free version to download, i only find a trial version... So if the plugin is not available on the site, and replaced by a trial version, you can't say it is freeware, but trialware, which really makes a difference to me, nad make me use SIR for its many features, or Revolverblite for its zero-latency...

if you make the old version easily available to everyone else, so you'll say it is free, but nowadays, it is not really right...

[jbraner]

What are you - some kind of a philosopher?

[Space Boy]

if you make the old version easily available to everyone else, so you'll say it is free, but nowadays, it is not really right...

I don't understand.

V1.03i, the trial version (as it is called at Share-it) is easily available at:

http://www.shareit.com/demoreg.html?productid=300005596

You can also get there by going to my site and clicking on the image of Convo Boy.

As far as I am aware, and judging by the high download rate, this link is working fine.

Just sign up and download.

It's a fully functioning version, no license required, no time limit. That IS the FREE version.

[jeffn1]

Thanks for this effect.

What is the difference between the free version and the (extremely) inexpensive version?

jeffn1

[sinkmusic]

no license required, no time limit

ok sorry i misunderstood
i when i saw "trial version", i thought it was like the other plugins (a14 days limited version)
i'mjust going to check it again... !