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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7317 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
You're a dick and I hope your babies are used as burger meat.
My Youtube Channel - Wires Dream Disasters
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35517 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Childish and pathetic.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7317 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35517 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Still childish, still pathetic.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 13445 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
The behaviour in this thread is getting childish again allready, but (and I'm serious about it):
Anybody into online music stuff NOT getting the codecs for OGG de/encoding is just utterly stupid!
Apart from the fact that compression seems to be better than with most MP3 codecs, it's BY FAR the best format for collaborations and such (as it doesn't add that lame bit of silence in the beginning, which is what MP3 is doing).
Loading the track now - I can play and convert to and from OGG just fine, took me 1 minute to get all the required codecs, back when I found out what a great format it is.
Anybody into online music stuff NOT getting the codecs for OGG de/encoding is just utterly stupid!
Apart from the fact that compression seems to be better than with most MP3 codecs, it's BY FAR the best format for collaborations and such (as it doesn't add that lame bit of silence in the beginning, which is what MP3 is doing).
Loading the track now - I can play and convert to and from OGG just fine, took me 1 minute to get all the required codecs, back when I found out what a great format it is.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35517 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
The compression might be better, but that doesnt mean not relying on it is stupid, or that that makes up for the inconvenience, Sascha.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 4749 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K
I dont use winamp I use WMP10
and I also see no point in OGG other than to make things more complicated.
saying that I wish there was 3 plugs/connectors
small medium and large, not 20 zillion permutations.
and I also see no point in OGG other than to make things more complicated.
saying that I wish there was 3 plugs/connectors
small medium and large, not 20 zillion permutations.
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- KVRAF
- 13445 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
I wasn't talking about "relying" on OGG.
It's just the best compressed (loss-ly) format there is.
Anybody not being able to use it should better stay away from online collaborations too (and that's what most KVR people are into as well). It's INCREDIBLY superior to MP3 for the above mentioned reason: It won't f**k up your timing! And that's the most important thing EVER!
If we were on some MP3-H4cK3R5 forum, I'd eventually agree with you. OGG might be a too much infamous format.
But this is a musician's forum - and any musician not being aware of the clear advances OGG is offering (especially when collaborating) is just stupid. Sorry, but that's it.
topaz: What's so complicated with OGG? The fact that you'll have to spend 30 seconds to get the codec running? Oh yes, that's complicated indeed...
As if it'd take less time to d/l WMP10.
It's just the best compressed (loss-ly) format there is.
Anybody not being able to use it should better stay away from online collaborations too (and that's what most KVR people are into as well). It's INCREDIBLY superior to MP3 for the above mentioned reason: It won't f**k up your timing! And that's the most important thing EVER!
If we were on some MP3-H4cK3R5 forum, I'd eventually agree with you. OGG might be a too much infamous format.
But this is a musician's forum - and any musician not being aware of the clear advances OGG is offering (especially when collaborating) is just stupid. Sorry, but that's it.
topaz: What's so complicated with OGG? The fact that you'll have to spend 30 seconds to get the codec running? Oh yes, that's complicated indeed...
As if it'd take less time to d/l WMP10.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRist
- 50 posts since 10 Dec, 2004
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
i said that 2 pages backAudioShots wrote:http://www.dbpoweramp.com/
its got codecs for ogg/flac and monkey.
disclaimer: i only use it for files ppl send me, i only deal in mp3 and wav
End of the day, its up to Alchi -hingy what he wants to use.
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- KVRist
- 50 posts since 10 Dec, 2004
You forgot the link Krim,
I use ogg/flac/wave and for net mp3
DB is a strange beast though - but fast and it plays n converts just about anything - and there is a free version. (I got the power box version way back - right click heaven)
I use ogg/flac/wave and for net mp3
DB is a strange beast though - but fast and it plays n converts just about anything - and there is a free version. (I got the power box version way back - right click heaven)
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35517 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Sascha Franck quoth I wasn't talking about "relying" on OGG.
No but the original poster was relying on it.
It's just the best compressed (loss-ly) format there is.
That depends on what you want it to be 'best' at, and who yuo talk to. Not everyone agrees with that, and Ive seen people state MP3 Pro was better. Its a subjective thing; any psychoacoustic compression methodology has to be.
Anybody not being able to use it should better stay away from online collaborations too (and that's what most KVR people are into as well). It's INCREDIBLY superior to MP3 for the above mentioned reason: It won't f**k up your timing! And that's the most important thing EVER!
Funny, Ive been able to collaborate pretty well using WAV files. And my preference would always be for lossless encoding over any lossy codec, ogg, mp3 or otherwise.
If we were on some MP3-H4cK3R5 forum, I'd eventually agree with you. OGG might be a too much infamous format.
I have no idea what you mean by that.
But this is a musician's forum - and any musician not being aware of the clear advances OGG is offering (especially when collaborating) is just stupid. Sorry, but that's it.
Well, IMO if you're thinking about serious collaboration, but insisting on lossy compression, then you really need to rethink the term 'stupid'.
No but the original poster was relying on it.
It's just the best compressed (loss-ly) format there is.
That depends on what you want it to be 'best' at, and who yuo talk to. Not everyone agrees with that, and Ive seen people state MP3 Pro was better. Its a subjective thing; any psychoacoustic compression methodology has to be.
Anybody not being able to use it should better stay away from online collaborations too (and that's what most KVR people are into as well). It's INCREDIBLY superior to MP3 for the above mentioned reason: It won't f**k up your timing! And that's the most important thing EVER!
Funny, Ive been able to collaborate pretty well using WAV files. And my preference would always be for lossless encoding over any lossy codec, ogg, mp3 or otherwise.
If we were on some MP3-H4cK3R5 forum, I'd eventually agree with you. OGG might be a too much infamous format.
I have no idea what you mean by that.
But this is a musician's forum - and any musician not being aware of the clear advances OGG is offering (especially when collaborating) is just stupid. Sorry, but that's it.
Well, IMO if you're thinking about serious collaboration, but insisting on lossy compression, then you really need to rethink the term 'stupid'.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
MP3 is crap though 
see you on page 15
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
see you on page 15
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- KVRAF
- 4749 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K
last time I tried it all I got was crackles on this system, if I want lossless compression I have used FLAC, saying that all the online sessions I did I just rar up the wavs, sorted.
oh, and with a 4 meg connection coming.
oh, and with a 4 meg connection coming.
Sascha Franck wrote:topaz: What's so complicated with OGG? The fact that you'll have to spend 30 seconds to get the codec running? Oh yes, that's complicated indeed...
As if it'd take less time to d/l WMP10.
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- KVRAF
- 13445 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
Spe3d: The free version of dbpoweramp supports rightclick integration just nicely.
Regarding whyterabbyt's and topaz' comments about quality or lossless formats: Yes, you're right. But we weren't talking about that yet.
Whenever I start a collaboration, I won't be sending large wave (or flac'ed or rared or whatever) files to each other. I will only use those if things turn out to be worthwhile - and sometimes even in that case MP3/OGG quality is fine, especially when it comes to electric guitars which usually don't feature too much high frequencies anyways (I once even did a phase inversion test with some overdriven guitars, they almost cancelled out each other).
Regarding quality differences between lossy compression formats: Maybe MP3Pro is even better again - but it still sucks as much for collaboration as plain MP3s do. Just because your timing will be f**ked up.
The only other format (apart from OGG) I know of which won't do so is WMA. But better don't ask your Mac friend to collaborate via WMA files.
Bottomline:
- For a lossy format OGG isn't sounding too bad.
- It won't f**k with your timing.
- It's x-platform.
Isn't that enough for *us* online musicians to make use of it?
Regarding whyterabbyt's and topaz' comments about quality or lossless formats: Yes, you're right. But we weren't talking about that yet.
Whenever I start a collaboration, I won't be sending large wave (or flac'ed or rared or whatever) files to each other. I will only use those if things turn out to be worthwhile - and sometimes even in that case MP3/OGG quality is fine, especially when it comes to electric guitars which usually don't feature too much high frequencies anyways (I once even did a phase inversion test with some overdriven guitars, they almost cancelled out each other).
Regarding quality differences between lossy compression formats: Maybe MP3Pro is even better again - but it still sucks as much for collaboration as plain MP3s do. Just because your timing will be f**ked up.
The only other format (apart from OGG) I know of which won't do so is WMA. But better don't ask your Mac friend to collaborate via WMA files.
Bottomline:
- For a lossy format OGG isn't sounding too bad.
- It won't f**k with your timing.
- It's x-platform.
Isn't that enough for *us* online musicians to make use of it?
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.