KVR Audio

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:54 pm

felonytrance wrote:
FarleyCZ wrote:Also the little "drum synths" seems fun. Could be cool to use as base and layer with some sample stuff. I so hope they copied whole racking feature including macros.

About the price: It depends on how much they want to use Ableton's srewed up situation...
I was trying to see if they had the macro's like live because that makes life so much easier when using keyboards with eight knobs. I could not tell.

They need to get Hanz to do an APC 40 hack for bitwig!?!

Yes, this will be very important. Customized layout to fit hardware is very important for dynamic hardware mapping. As is sticking to the tried and true groupings of 8.

UncleAge · Post by **UncleAge** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:55 pm

v1o wrote:
UncleAge wrote:For me, the item in those screen shots that creates the most interest is the "soon to come" modular environment thingy. If they find a way to allow the inclusion of 3rd party instruments and effects then I will have finally found a next gen succesor to Traction's racks.
What did Tracktions racks do?

They allowed the user to create instrument/fx chains. Looked a lot like the flstudio patcher thats out now. However that pic looks like the Bitwig approach is more of an instrument/fx builder, not chainer. I use Bidule to do that type of stuff right now. I'd like to have that ability native in my host though. We'll see.

Muziksculp · Post by **Muziksculp** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:00 pm

I guess Bitwig's DAW is going to be a direct competitor with Ableton Live !

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:03 pm

luckystrike wrote:Perfect clone of ableto Live. I don't know how will go about copyright issue.

That's utter nonsense. For starters it seems you are comfusing copyright and patent - and then I'm wondering what functionality you are referring to and why you believe Ableton would have a patent on it...

mrdr · Post by **mrdr** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:07 pm

Muziksculp wrote:I guess Bitwig's DAW is going to be a direct competitor with Ableton Live !

really ???

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:08 pm

Xenakios wrote: Well, since only half-assed implementations (or within otherwise useless(*) applications) of this kind of a thing have existed (in Ext, Reaper and Logic, for example), I wouldn't consider those to have existed at all. BitWig could have had a great chance to nail it for their app at this stage. It's likely too difficult to add later in the application life cycle...But maybe there is some hope, who knows...

(*) IMHO and all that of course.

I agree with you inasmuch that I would also really really want something like this.

What is your favourite feature in EnergyXT2 ?

When I cut audio in other sequencers I have all these little snippets on the timeline - and I have to cut audio a lot (e.g. to correct timing-errors, to reduce fret-noise and finger-noise for guitar and bass-guitar and breath-noise and sibilance for vocal-recordings, etc. ).

In eXT however these little snippets all stay inside the audio-part which I just need to double-click to open its editor - it's the same as with midi-parts. With the sequencers I used prior to eXT there was always a lot of zooming in and out involved instead. Also all these snippets on the timeline make it very untidy and also difficult to arrange.

In eXT audio-parts are like containers and in eXT 1.x they even can have an unlimited number of channels i.e. lanes on which you can store, arrange and edit several takes without messing up the timeline. Each channel also has got it's own volume- and pan-control (and also mute- and solo-buttons) and so it's also great for panning two or more takes left and right without needing to use further tracks for it.

http://www.energy-xt.com/index.php?id=0700

But I think we're heading towards OT really fast here.

felonytrance · Post by **felonytrance** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:09 pm

jens wrote:
luckystrike wrote:Perfect clone of ableto Live. I don't know how will go about copyright issue.
That's utter nonsense. For starters it seems you are comfusing copyright and patent - and then I'm wondering what functionality you are referring to and why you believe Ableton would have a patent on it...

I would think that you can't just go out a clone a software program almost to the letter unless as former employees they have some ability to do so. Mabye I'm way off base but I did not imagine that it was going to be Live with some improvements (which is alright by me

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headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:10 pm

Not a copyright issue, but possibly a legal issue in terms of their previous contracts working for Ableton....

kx.001 · Post by **kx.001** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:13 pm

I would presume that its the code thats non-transferable so as long as they don't take Abletons code they'll be grand.

Maybe they're using the same graphics libraries or similar? quite a lot of software looks like that so maybe thats 3rd party stuff anyway.

There seems to be a lot of speculation here from 38 seconds of video, although I've not looked much further into the website..

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:14 pm

felonytrance wrote:
I would think that you can't just go out a clone a software program almost to the letter unless as former employees they have some ability to do so. Mabye I'm way off base but I did not imagine that it was going to be Live with some improvements (which is alright by me )

I don't think you are right in that it's just a Live clone - but even if, it would still be legal, as long as you wouldn't reverse engineer the original or otherwise use illegally obtained code of it.

Here's a free FL clone:

http://lmms.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php

Johnny! · Post by **Johnny!** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:15 pm

that Ableton will (as it looks) finally have some competitor can only be a good news.

I just hope it'll be good enough for live acts so I could buy it instead of Live upgrade, also the introductory price up to $100 would be really welcome and actually pretty much logical as this is completely new product and although a few of us might be excited about it, when it comes to actually spending some money a serious thought will certainly take place.

that said, if the intro price will be no more than $100 i'll probably buy it right away.

luxgud · Post by **luxgud** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:18 pm

Here we go again

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:18 pm

headquest wrote:Not a copyright issue, but possibly a legal issue in terms of their previous contracts working for Ableton....

They would be outright mad if they would have taken code they don't legally own with them and used it for Bitwig. It bet the main reason it took them so long is that they coded everything from scratch (most probably they first developed their own IDE)

luckystrike · Post by **luckystrike** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:18 pm

jens wrote:
luckystrike wrote:Perfect clone of ableto Live. I don't know how will go about copyright issue.
That's utter nonsense. For starters it seems you are comfusing copyright and patent - and then I'm wondering what functionality you are referring to and why you believe Ableton would have a patent on it...

Everything including developed concepts throughout ableton's strategy belong to the company. There are exclution if the worker had contract for "his" work. Not whole project.

felonytrance · Post by **felonytrance** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:19 pm

jens wrote:
felonytrance wrote:
I would think that you can't just go out a clone a software program almost to the letter unless as former employees they have some ability to do so. Mabye I'm way off base but I did not imagine that it was going to be Live with some improvements (which is alright by me )
I don't think you are right in that it's just a Live clone - but even if, it would still be legal, as long as you wouldn't reverse engineer the original or otherwise use illegally obtained code of it.

Here's a free FL clone:

http://lmms.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php

I see what your saying. Even though they had worked on coding for Live for years. Since they left and re-wrote their own code (which just happens to be similar with some improvements) then is is legal.

Got it

Bitwig (!/?)