[ANN] Repro-1

[e-modic]

ARP 2600 by Arturia
EDP Wasp by ImageLine
Oberheim Two/Four Voice by Arturia (SEM, but with the additional Arturia stuff, it is almost the 2/4 voice)
RSF Kobol by Xils
Elka Syntex by Xils

ARP 2600 by Arturia = not even close. WOW did a better job, but still the Filter is different. I don´t own a 2600, know it only from friends, but when you play her you are shaking. Filter is unbelievable. Not yet recreated in software. NO

EDP Wasp by ImageLine = Only one I didn´t know about. Are you sure you know how a Wasp is sounding? I will test Image Line.

Oberheim Two/Four Voice by Arturia (SEM, but with the additional Arturia stuff, it is almost the 2/4 voice) = not even 5% near by the real one. I made many remixes with a 4 voice. OB4V Filter is absoluteley stunning!! Arturia SEM...what kind of Filter is that? brzzzss ah? I was very disappointed in the emu. As you can see in the forum, no talks about this synth. Can´t believe they were alowed to use the look of the Oberheim SEM.

RSF Kobol by Xils = Xils is good. I like what they are doing but no Kobol Filter. Great zdff Filter but no recreation. When you play with a RSF you are like wuooooww. Do you have that with Xils? I don´t. I just say "hey, you are getting there, keep developing"..

Elka Syntex by Xils = NO. Good Filter on their emu but no Syntex Filter. Same zdff. Somehow I have the feeling they are concentrating on Zdff but not on an emulation, character. Even with Xils3. I bought a VCS for thousands of euro and when Xils released their emu - even on CM - I told them, hey guys what kind of filter is that, it is not a VCS Filter. This FRench guy said "I don´t own a VCS3". That was strange. You cannot emulate a synth without own the original. Maybe thats why they focus on zdff as their holy grail.

Fazit: less good analog emulations. Go for RePro-1.

[exmatproton]

ARP 2600 by Arturia
EDP Wasp by ImageLine
Oberheim Two/Four Voice by Arturia (SEM, but with the additional Arturia stuff, it is almost the 2/4 voice)
RSF Kobol by Xils
Elka Syntex by Xils

ARP 2600 by Arturia = not even close. WOW did a better job, but still the Filter is different. I don´t own a 2600, know it only from friends, but when you play her you are shaking. Filter is unbelievable. Not yet recreated in software. NO

EDP Wasp by ImageLine = Only one I didn´t know about. Are you sure you know how a Wasp is sounding? I will test Image Line.

Oberheim Two/Four Voice by Arturia (SEM, but with the additional Arturia stuff, it is almost the 2/4 voice) = not even 5% near by the real one. I made many remixes with a 4 voice. OB4V Filter is absoluteley stunning!! Arturia SEM...what kind of Filter is that? brzzzss ah? I was very disappointed in the emu. As you can see in the forum, no talks about this synth. Can´t believe they were alowed to use the look of the Oberheim SEM.

RSF Kobol by Xils = Xils is good. I like what they are doing but no Kobol Filter. Great zdff Filter but no recreation. When you play with a RSF you are like wuooooww. Do you have that with Xils? I don´t. I just say "hey, you are getting there, keep developing"..

Elka Syntex by Xils = NO. Good Filter on their emu but no Syntex Filter. Same zdff. Somehow I have the feeling they are concentrating on Zdff but not on an emulation, character. Even with Xils3. I bought a VCS for thousands of euro and when Xils released their emu - even on CM - I told them, hey guys what kind of filter is that, it is not a VCS Filter. This FRench guy said "I don´t own a VCS3". That was strange. You cannot emulate a synth without own the original. Maybe thats why they focus on zdff as their holy grail.

Fazit: less good analog emulations. Go for RePro-1.

I am not saying that the emulations are 100% solid. Just saying there are tons of virtual analog emulations. And i hope U-He will do their own thing. Not "another analog emulation" for me

[david.beholder]

Oberheim Two/Four Voice by Arturia (SEM, but with the additional Arturia stuff, it is almost the 2/4 voice) = not even 5% near by the real one

Agree here. Filter on original 2/4 voice is incredible and sound good in any position. Oscillators on are quite musically instable too. I really want one, as it's really amazing synth. Vst that is far away from 2/4/8 Obie sound. It's not an emulation.

I bought a VCS for thousands of euro and when Xils released their emu - even on CM - I told them, hey guys what kind of filter is that, it is not a VCS Filter. This French guy said "I don´t own a VCS3". That was strange. You cannot emulate a synth without own the original. Maybe thats why they focus on zdff as their holy grail.

EMS VCS/Synthi 100 have alot of spcific in sound: filter, osc insanity, spring reverb, coloration. I grew up on records made putney or hundred. XIls has vst that is far away from original EMS. It's not an emulation.

Exactly same story in HWVA: Roland Boutiques doesn't sound like real Roland Classics. Tal does.

I blame it on marketing and consumer stupidity.

[david.beholder]

I am not saying that the emulations are 100% solid. Just saying there are tons of virtual analog emulations.

Please don't call them emulation. It's as close to originals as fiat to ferrari -- they both are cars, have wheels and pedals, but they doesn't emulate experience of one another, altho both could take you from pt A to pt B

[exmatproton]

I am not saying that the emulations are 100% solid. Just saying there are tons of virtual analog emulations.

Please don't call them emulation. It's as close to originals as fiat to ferrari -- they both are cars, have wheels and pedals, but they doesn't emulate experience of one another, altho both could take you from pt A to pt B

Wait, don't tell me! I did not build the vst's. Hehehe.....they are emulations. The difference is there for sure, but your example of a fiat and a ferrari is just plain stupid. One can trick many people with vst's these days....

[david.beholder]

Wait, don't tell me! I did not build the vst's. Hehehe.....they are emulations. The difference is there for sure, but your example of a fiat and a ferrari is just plain stupid. One can trick many people with vst's these days....

Well it is not stupid at all. It's the essence of the discussion.
Fiat "emulates" Ferrari better than bicycle. Arturia/Xils "emulates" SEM/VCS better than notepad or shaker. But there are some semantic problem with such comparison.

[exmatproton]

Wait, don't tell me! I did not build the vst's. Hehehe.....they are emulations. The difference is there for sure, but your example of a fiat and a ferrari is just plain stupid. One can trick many people with vst's these days....

Well it is not stupid at all. It's the essence of the discussion.
Fiat "emulates" Ferrari better than bicycle. Arturia/Xils "emulates" SEM/VCS better than notepad or shaker. But there are some semantic problem with such comparison.

Hahahaha. Funny.

Fiat doesn't emulate a Ferrari at all. They are both cars. That's it. When a software (vst) maker tries to emulate hardware, they try to do something completely different then what Fiat does. Also, a Fiat is a car. A Ferrari as well. A VST is software, hardware is not (it can contain software ofcourse). So it is just a stupid comparison.

Now, Arturia tried to emulate hardware synths and i think they did a pretty good job. Does it sound the same? No. Is it an emulation? Yes. Can they do better? I certainly hope so.

[pdxindy]

Wait, don't tell me! I did not build the vst's. Hehehe.....they are emulations. The difference is there for sure, but your example of a fiat and a ferrari is just plain stupid. One can trick many people with vst's these days....

Well it is not stupid at all. It's the essence of the discussion.
Fiat "emulates" Ferrari better than bicycle. Arturia/Xils "emulates" SEM/VCS better than notepad or shaker. But there are some semantic problem with such comparison.

Hahahaha. Funny.

Fiat doesn't emulate a Ferrari at all. They are both cars. That's it. When a software (vst) maker tries to emulate hardware, they try to do something completely different then what Fiat does. Also, a Fiat is a car. A Ferrari as well. A VST is software, hardware is not (it can contain software ofcourse). So it is just a stupid comparison.

Now, Arturia tried to emulate hardware synths and i think they did a pretty good job. Does it sound the same? No. Is it an emulation? Yes. Can they do better? I certainly hope so.

It is more like a car body that looks fairly close to a Ferrari on the outside but has the Fiat engine, drivetrain and suspension underneath

[exmatproton]

Wait, don't tell me! I did not build the vst's. Hehehe.....they are emulations. The difference is there for sure, but your example of a fiat and a ferrari is just plain stupid. One can trick many people with vst's these days....

Well it is not stupid at all. It's the essence of the discussion.
Fiat "emulates" Ferrari better than bicycle. Arturia/Xils "emulates" SEM/VCS better than notepad or shaker. But there are some semantic problem with such comparison.

Hahahaha. Funny.

Fiat doesn't emulate a Ferrari at all. They are both cars. That's it. When a software (vst) maker tries to emulate hardware, they try to do something completely different then what Fiat does. Also, a Fiat is a car. A Ferrari as well. A VST is software, hardware is not (it can contain software ofcourse). So it is just a stupid comparison.

Now, Arturia tried to emulate hardware synths and i think they did a pretty good job. Does it sound the same? No. Is it an emulation? Yes. Can they do better? I certainly hope so.

It is more like a car body that looks fairly close to a Ferrari on the outside but has the Fiat engine, drivetrain and suspension underneath

[david.beholder]

Now, Arturia tried to emulate hardware synths and i think they did a pretty good job. Does it sound the same? No. Is it an emulation? Yes. Can they do better? I certainly hope so.

It is more like a car body that looks fairly close to a Ferrari on the outside but has the Fiat engine, drivetrain and suspension underneath

They are not sounding close enough to be called "emulation" because primary target of emulation is "sound very similar or the same".

And if you need example of good emulation: Tal Uno LX and Juno 60. None of Arturia's synths are as close to it's original as this.

[exmatproton]

Now, Arturia tried to emulate hardware synths and i think they did a pretty good job. Does it sound the same? No. Is it an emulation? Yes. Can they do better? I certainly hope so.

It is more like a car body that looks fairly close to a Ferrari on the outside but has the Fiat engine, drivetrain and suspension underneath

They are not sounding close enough to be called "emulation" because primary target of emulation is "sound very similar or the same".

And if you need example of good emulation: Tal Uno LX and Juno 60. None of Arturia's synths are as close to it's original as this.

"They are not sounding close enough to be called "emulation""....ow??

Emulation is nothing more/less then aiming (having an ambition to) at imitating something. So, Arturia did do that. Did they succeeded in make their SEM V sounding exactly the same as the original? No. But it still an emulation. In certain aspects they excelled/surpassed the original, by adding stuff that wasn't in the original.

BTW, ""They are not sounding close enough".....this is when compared in double blind tests. When (slightly) processed and mixed properly in a total track, you will find yourself having trouble to hear the difference. And that is a fact

Also, your statement about Arturia seems to be a bit coloured. When i read stuff all over the internet, Arturia gets praises as well for their emulations. How come you're so negative about Arturia's attempts?? And furthermore, what do you think of their awesome Matrix 12V emulation?
I ask this, because the other Arturia stuff is quite old. Matrix 12V is really new (and to me, it sounds amazing).

[david.beholder]

Emulation is nothing more/less then aiming (having an ambition to) at imitating something. So, Arturia did do that. Did they succeeded in make their SEM V sounding exactly the same as the original? No. But it still an emulation. In certain aspects they excelled/surpassed the original, by adding stuff that wasn't in the original.

Emulation is not more or less thing. Intention to Emulate is intention to copy 100% of certain aspects of original in case of synth is union of sound generation and aspects of interface. Also emulation has lower threshold when it's doesn't represent certain aspects, that made original distinguishable from other instances in group.

Arturia SEM is not near to original SEM - it's far - doesn't represent nether proper oscillator nor WONDERFUL filter behavior. That's why it's not "emulation" but rather than generic VA with SEM-like UI. And if something is called SEM emulation that's exactly things why SEM is famous and what distinguishes it.

BTW, ""They are not sounding close enough".....this is when compared in double blind tests. When (slightly) processed and mixed properly in a total track, you will find yourself having trouble to hear the difference. And that is a fact

The only fact in this statement is absence of link to such double blind test. I've seen blind test of Gearslutz and Muffwiggler some are convincing, some are opposite, depends on test.

Btw I have 6 analog synths at home, do you want to take a participation in generic, all-same-sounding, "slightly" mixed, "slightly" processed square wave recognition blind test to show your credibility in analog synths?

Also, your statement about Arturia seems to be a bit coloured. When i read stuff all over the internet, Arturia gets praises as well for their emulations. How come you're so negative about Arturia's attempts?? And furthermore, what do you think of their awesome Matrix 12V emulation?
I ask this, because the other Arturia stuff is quite old. Matrix 12V is really new (and to me, it sounds amazing).

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Proo ... et_is_true
Origins and strength of my opinions, matrix 12v and other furthermore things are not subjects of this discussion.

[mholloway]

oh good, a pointless semantics argument.

regardless of what "emulation" does or doesn't mean, I think Arturia products sound like shit. I don't own the original hardware, and never will, so I'm not judging based on an actual comparison; I'm judging based on the fact that every time I demo an Arturia synth, it sounds like garbage, regardless of what it's supposed to emulate.

The only ones I got some decent sounds with were the VS portion of the Prophet VS and some bass patches I made with the Matrix V.

For 'emulation' I think U-He and G-Force are the best in the game, easy.

[david.beholder]

regardless of what "emulation" does or doesn't mean, I think Arturia products sound like shit. I don't own the original hardware, and never will, so I'm not judging based on an actual comparison; I'm judging based on the fact that every time I demo an Arturia synth, it sounds like garbage, regardless of what it's supposed to emulate.

But if original sounds like shit then arturia shit v would be best emulation (without quotes).

But your point is quite meaningless in thread about U-he emulation of Pro-1. I've played two voice and SEM recently -- amazing synths, try if you have a chance.

[moscom_electronics]

What about we go back on topic and stop this discussion about semantics? RePro1 is exciting enough not to go flaming about unrelated stuff.