Filterscape 1.5.0 public preview 14785

[Andreya_Autumn]

Fifth and last (but not least): I notice the new analog modeled filters play in tune to within a few cents across the whole range. Which I imagine that probably took a lot of thought to get right, nicely done!

Given this fact it'd be cool if the FX version also had keytracking, so you could use it to make in-tune melodic filter instruments from audio input.

The other filter plugs I've tried for this purpose either don't have MTS-ESP support, or just don't play in tune no matter the tuning system, or they have some other problem.

I get there's no room in the UI for a keytrack dial or glide time or anything. But honestly, just an RMB option on cutoff that turns it on/off would be awesome. It being fixed at 100% with 0.1ms glide or whatever would be fine IMO.

Since this use case is monophonic and stereo by nature, adding keytrack to the FX seems better than adding audio in to the VA. Also easier to do I would guess.

I respect if you're not open to such a feature request at this time. Just thought I'd throw it in anyway.

[Andreya_Autumn]

Gain Scale is correct. That parameter will scale the gain values of the 4 nodes. So if node 2 is set to +12db and node 3 is set to -12db, setting gain scale knob to 50 then the values will be half. Setting gain scale knob to -100 will invert the curve

I know what a gain scale param does. Did you open the EQ and look? EDIT: It's visible in the screenshot on the first page here actually.

The other two versions say "Snapshot" in bigger green/red above the snapshot wheel, and "Gain Scale" in smaller white above the gain scale param (go figure).

The EQ says "Gain Scale" in bigger blue above the snapshot wheel, and again in smaller white over the actual param. That doesn't look intentional.

[pdxindy]

Gain Scale is correct. That parameter will scale the gain values of the 4 nodes. So if node 2 is set to +12db and node 3 is set to -12db, setting gain scale knob to 50 then the values will be half. Setting gain scale knob to -100 will invert the curve

I know what a gain scale param does. Did you open the EQ and look? EDIT: It's visible in the screenshot on the first page here actually.

The other two versions say "Snapshot" in bigger green/red above the snapshot wheel, and "Gain Scale" in smaller white above the gain scale param (go figure).

The EQ says "Gain Scale" in bigger blue above the snapshot wheel, and again in smaller white over the actual param. That doesn't look intentional.

Oh, I thought you meant the regular Filterscape. Yes, I see what you mean in Q6

[tasmaniandevil]

The EQ says "Gain Scale" in bigger blue above the snapshot wheel, and again in smaller white over the actual param. That doesn't look intentional.

Lol, how embarrasing.
Awesome find.
Thanks for noticing.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Second: The EQ version says "Gain Scale" over the snapshot wheel, where I reckon it's meant to say "Snapshot".

Gain Scale is correct. That parameter will scale the gain values of the 4 nodes. So if node 2 is set to +12db and node 3 is set to -12db, setting gain scale knob to 50 then the values will be half. Setting gain scale knob to -100 will invert the curve

EDIT: disregard. I hadn't made it to Page 2 or notice it existed. Issue identified and confirmed.

[tim.benetonn]

Can filters in Filterscape FX self oscillate?

[Urs]

Can filters in Filterscape FX self oscillate?

They could, but we decided to make it not so. Otherwise people might get unexpected noise (ear damage even...) when casually browsing presets, and the suddenly one goes full bazoom.

[rafa1981]

It's a shame that Q6 can't do Mid, Side or L-R eq. I tend to use L/R eq'ing often instead of panning. This is trivial to add but unfortunately requires UI changes...

[mabian]

I just found that the main FIlterscape page in the u-he website has this link as latest beta.

https://dl.u-he.com/latest-builds/filterscape

which contains quite old stuff...

I hope that helps

- Mario

[Urs]

Yeah, I guess we should update those links... they're remnants from a time where we thought we'd always post current betas regardless of any release schedule.

[Ou_Tis]

I guess the analog filters don't include versions of the filters from Repro or Diva? Being able to use the Repro filters as an effect would be nice...

[limitlesssss]

Being able to use the Repro filters as an effect would be nice...

Don't hold your breath. I asked Urs in the past, and I don't think he's interested. Read for yourself:

Hi Urs, I tend to use Zebrify a lot with its modulation and comb filters, which enable me to shape the sounds in a way I imagine. I wish the modules from Zebra HZ were available in Zebrify. So I also hope Zebra 3 will have an FX version. Thanks

I remember asking this question like, 8 years ago or something and I think he said yes, it WILL be included.
But not sure if that is still the case. A lot can change in 8 years.
But lets hope it's included. That thing was basically like a channel rack for me.
Still have multiple instances in every track

Our focus is on the synth. We'll probably try to give it an audio input feature, which might do the trick without an extra fx plug-in.

Will that audio input feature be extended to Repro-1 and Repro-5 too? So their effects can be used on input audio please?

If audio inputs for instruments turn out to be feasible, the signal path will be determined by the voice structure. I don't think it makes any sense (e.g. business-wise) for us to bypass the voices and route the audio input to the effects section directly. As the voices of Repro and Diva are monophonic and always contain filters, I'm not entirely sure this is what people expect it to be.

What if the synth section could be disabled when audio input is enabled? Does that solve the problem?

It would create several problems...

The best outcome here is audio input for instruments, routed into the voice structure. This seems doable without big changes to pricing models, user experience, marketing and so on.

Would you please explain what you mean by Audio Input for Instruments? Isn't it the same thing I'm asking for? If it's the same thing I'm asking for, I'd love to have Audio Input for Repro-1.

So If by “audio input for instruments, routed into the voice structure” you mean we can route audio into Repro-1, then I would absolutely love it. Thank you Urs.

[Urs]

I don't remember promising "the exact same filters as Repro" in any of our other products, such as Zebra or Filterscape. Hence, I do not understand where such an expectation would originate from. While I do get that this may be desirable, at least in a hypothetical way, it is in the end absolutely a decision that we have to make, not anyone else.

[Urs]

I guess the analog filters don't include versions of the filters from Repro or Diva? Being able to use the Repro filters as an effect would be nice...

The filters in Filterscape are not modelled after a specific hardware. They're non-linear - and yet they distort in a way that's still good for stereo signals. That's why we chose them over filters which add extreme character, and thus might run out of phase easily between stereo signals.