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Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:11 pm

donkey tugger wrote:
Lunatique wrote: That couch potato who watches TV 15-hours a day, drinks one six-pack of beer after another, farts into the cushion, picks his nose and wipes on the coffee table, living off of welfare and couldn't be bothered to get a job
What did I ever do to you?

OMIGOD I'm so sorry. What have I done?!

*Give donke a hug*

shamann - Ok, well, I'd like to try to live in your ideal world for a couple years and see if I like it. I dunno, maybe I might. Who knows?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:24 pm

Not so much an ideal world, just a way accepting that the idea of the universal is a social, purely manufactured concept. I can look down at the nosepicker (sorry donks), but it doesn't mean I'm right. Also, it serves no purpose really but to boost my sense of selfworth.

What you like is all well and fine, but it doesn't mean anyone else likes it. You get together with a few likeminded folk and create a code of standards, still means you've excluded everyone else.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:26 pm

shamann wrote:still means you've excluded everyone else.

hare hare!

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:27 pm

*cough* I meant Amen..

Thank God for The Bomb.

emdot_ambient · Post by **emdot_ambient** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:04 pm

Lunatique wrote:That couch potato who watches TV 15-hours a day, drinks one six-pack of beer after another, farts into the cushion, picks his nose and wipes on the coffee table, living off of welfare and couldn't be bothered to get a job--is just as good as you are, in every way. Because, who the hell are we to judge any standard of excellence?

Dude. Who do you think all awards, "Top 10" lists, "Best of the year" of anything, Olympics, competitions, sports, American Idol, Who Wants to be a Millionaire reality TV crap is made for? People like that are basically running the world because of their consumer lifestyle. They run the world and they vote in our elected officials--well take out the welfare bit, 'cause no one really lives off welfare if they can help it. I mean if it was so great wouldn't we all be doing that?

Anyway, it's a stupid argument because we're not talking about things that can be quantitatively determined. You can't really place a universal value judgement on a piece of music or art. You can quantitatively judge scholastic achievement--a math problem is either wrong or it's right, a sentence is either gramatically correct or it isn't--but saying flat out that any musical style is crap or it's not is impossible to back up with anything but personal or cultural opinion.

Someone was saying, for example, that all prog rock is wankery and twiddly and blah, blah, blah. That's mostly an personal opinion, but it is certainly one at least partly derived from a cultural context. That person admits to being young. They didn't live through the cultural wasteland of the disco era. They didn't have to put up with the pop music dominating the air waves at that time--rag on prog rock, will ya, go listen to 12 hours of The Carpenters and tell me if you wouldn't want to hear some ELP wankery instead! Oh, and if you like The Carpenters . . . that's valid too (even though I'm glad I'm not you!).

Anyway, anyone growing up from the 80's on is used to music that is primarily based on beat and chant. Prog rock was all about performance technique. It was musicianship, not programming ability that was prized. Keith Emerson twiddled around with sounds, for sure, but he was a damn sight better technical player than 99% of the synth users today. I used to love his work. Hate it now, because I learned to value other types of music more. But that doesn't make his work valueless. It gave me countless hours of pleasure at the time. Prog rock is dated now because it doesn't conform to currently accepted musical templates. That doesn't make it bad, it just means young people will be more challenged to try and learn to appreciate it.

Come to think of it, I dislike most Mozart. Sue me.

hao nao · Post by **hao nao** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:16 pm

if someone enjoys listening to someone else's sonic wankery, it's a kind of consensual aural sex, baintee?

naught wrong w'eet

erm

WANKERLAND · Post by **WANKERLAND** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:20 pm

wankers

hao nao · Post by **hao nao** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:37 pm

we are the mulch and the song is the flower

is that better?

intel · Post by **intel** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:45 am

score 1 for me for making this thread boring.

now where's that Home Lobotomy Kit™?

intel · Post by **intel** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:46 am

I take that back... some others contributed as well.

congrats!

intel · Post by **intel** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:48 am

and herod... its not vitriol you detect, merely forceful opinion (publicly displayed at your coercion)

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:16 am

intel wrote:and herod... its not vitriol you detect, merely forceful opinion (publicly displayed at your coercion)

My apologies if you felt coerced. I have frequently been told that I come off as a pompous ass on a message board. I try to avoid this, but as you see, it does not always work.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:20 am

intel · Post by **intel** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:22 am

herodotus wrote:My apologies if you felt coerced. I have frequently been told that I come off as a pompous ass on a message board. I try to avoid this, but as you see, it does not always work.

pompous ass? I've seen far worse.

no harm done. I still love you.

(even if you do listen to King Crimson)

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:27 am

The argument that started in vurts song thread thread