T-RackS 5 (5.0.1 update,information about free CS version, release date countdown added)

[zadillo]

Just a question: If I buy the base version, and since I have all T-Racks plug-ins, will all of them get updated to version 5?

They are not remastered but they will work in T-RackS 5 and will still get some sonic benefit due to the updated audio engine in T-RackS 5.

can you be a bit clearer about that - if we instead upgrade to t-racks5 max are the 'old' plugins then also 'remastered' with new UIs etc, or are you saying that irregardless the 'old' plugins ae unchanged and only benefit from the new wrapper and new audio engine?

What Peter is saying is seemed very clear: 1) same fundamental modeling behind the scenes (i.e. "no remaster" or improved modeling), 2) an improved audio engine (higher sampling rates, better bit-depth precision), 3) new UI's (no dinosaur logo).

I'm actually still confused. I currently own T-RackS 4 MAX plus Saturator X.

If I buy the $99 t-racks5, will I have the same thing someone upgrading to T-RackS 5 MAX has, or will it be a combination of new and old?

[AudioGuy720]

I have never in my life seen such entitled whiners on an audio engineering message board. No one is forcing you to upgrade to version 5. All of the plugins you have purchased still work. If you do want the new features, cough up a minimum of $70.00. Don't want the new features THEN DON'T BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!

All of this crying about loyalty is just ridiculous. I'd hate to break it to you, but software rarely holds its value in the long run. Software makers don't have the overhead costs of physical products so once something is coded all that has to be recouped are

- Server/web development
- Marketing/distribution
- Research and development
- Customer support.

That's cheap compared to the divisions at other companies.

A lot of this complaining probably has to do with the fact that people are buying professional level tools and not earning money with those tools. For me, I don't buy something audio related unless I can make money off it. If it fits that criteria then it doesn't matter if they drop the price to a buck or make it free. I benefited financially from a tool so it is water under the bridge if IK or whomever decides to drop the price substantially.

I have to compete with some people on this thread. Maybe not personally but with the same types of people. I see their web sites and know their pricing. They offer their mixing/"mastering" services for low cost or sometimes free. Then they come on the internet and complain that the products are so expensive. Well MAYBE if you started charging more like I try to do (and did before the avalanche of wannabes) then $70 would be a drop in the bucket. Ever think of that?

Then you have the people who are asking questions that are answered at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/tr5/ . STOP BEING SO DAMN LAZY OH MY GAWD!!! How you people ever become audio engineers I don't know.

[jdnz]

What Peter is saying is seemed very clear: 1) same fundamental modeling behind the scenes (i.e. "no remaster" or improved modeling), 2) an improved audio engine (higher sampling rates, better bit-depth precision), 3) new UI's (no dinosaur logo).

3) is the bit that is unclear - do current t-racks max users who ONLY buy the 99euro upgrade NOT get the new UIs (i.e. you have to buy the 'full' upgrade to Max for 199euro to get the new UIs on all your currently owned plugins)

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

What Peter is saying is seemed very clear: 1) same fundamental modeling behind the scenes (i.e. "no remaster" or improved modeling), 2) an improved audio engine (higher sampling rates, better bit-depth precision), 3) new UI's (no dinosaur logo).

3) is the bit that is unclear - do current t-racks max users who ONLY buy the 99euro upgrade NOT get the new UIs (i.e. you have to buy the 'full' upgrade to Max for 199euro to get the new UIs on all your currently owned plugins)

I'm not sure I understand why you think they would upgrade you, but not give you the new GUI. I think the new GUIs are given if you go for the $99 or $199 upgrades.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

I'm actually still confused. I currently own T-RackS 4 MAX plus Saturator X.

If I buy the $99 t-racks5, will I have the same thing someone upgrading to T-RackS 5 MAX has, or will it be a combination of new and old?

Yes, you will have the same gear as T-RackS 5 MAX and it will all work within T-RackS 5.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

What Peter is saying is seemed very clear: 1) same fundamental modeling behind the scenes (i.e. "no remaster" or improved modeling), 2) an improved audio engine (higher sampling rates, better bit-depth precision), 3) new UI's (no dinosaur logo).

3) is the bit that is unclear - do current t-racks max users who ONLY buy the 99euro upgrade NOT get the new UIs (i.e. you have to buy the 'full' upgrade to Max for 199euro to get the new UIs on all your currently owned plugins)

If you already have the gear, you don't have to buy the T-RackS 5 MAX upgrade, you can get the 99.99 pre-order and use the gear you have in T-RackS 5 and with the updated GUIs.

[jdnz]

If you already have the gear, you don't have to buy the T-RackS 5 MAX upgrade, you can get the 99.99 pre-order and use the gear you have in T-RackS 5 and with the updated GUIs.

thanks Peter - not that I really minded paying eu140 for the max upgrade (using jampoints) but if I can get away with only paying eu70 that's more money for beer

eu70 upgrade ordered - looking forward to trying it out!

[MadDogE134]

one question peter on the audio engine ... that only pertains to the standalone part right? if the rack and plugs are used in a DAW then they will be using the DAWs audio engine. am i correct in this?

[plexuss]

I read through the this thread and didn't see an answer to my question - hopefully you can help. I have TR 4 and 5 separate TR plugins plus 2 bundles (reverbs and compressors). I am thinking about upgrading to TR 4 MAX... My questions are:

1) Once I get TR5 MAX can I sell my duplicate TR4 products?

2) What about the product I used for the upgrade? How do I know which one that is?

thanks!

[evilantal]

Ok...one more try to get to the bottom of this..

On the one hand you say people will have the same gear, but then you say the old modules won't be "remastered".

If i ONLY use the modules as separate plugins in my DAW and don't use the standalone or plugin chainer (CS) functionality.

1) Will there be any difference between my current v4 module and the same module bought new after v5 gets released
2) If there's a difference, what would bring my existing modules up to speed? Only the €99 package or a future CS v5 as well?

I'm just trying to figure out what would be the benefit of upgrading in my use case scenario, other than the 4 new modules...

[HcDoom]

Anyone tried new modules?

[kmonkey]

Jam points = Fool points

Just as i said several years ago they (IK Marketing geniuses) added this IK currency to their shop to confuse and make fool of people, to convince them that they are getting something and "spare" something in the line while in fact people does get less and are more and more confused.

The fact that people are terribly confused on upgrades still years after their "genius" currency system is invented does tell me i was right. Just look at the shitstorm here, GS or other forum places.

People does not have a clue what and how to save let alone to upgrade, then when they realize what and how they start to make noise because it appear that new users are having better massage over whole deal and everyone are confused. They even have another sale deal which overlap with current one adding even more confusion to userbase.

On the other hand IK does not fail to amaze. New modules appear to be amazing. Look at dyna mu video (loved Dany California example) and matching EQ !!!

Why on earth they just don't focus on new products and make it easier for people....

ahhh right cows and cash flow..

[cprompt]

...they (IK Marketing geniuses) added this IK currency to their shop to confuse and make fool of people, to convince them that they are getting something and "spare" something in the line while in fact people does get less and are more and more confused.

Well, yes and no. If I wanted to buy the TR5 upgrade for €99+VAT, my current Jampoints would reduce this down to €69+VAT, not a trivial discount. Whilst I agree it's a bit confusing, it's worth money and I have used them in the past to reduce the price so it does work.

People does not have a clue what and how to save let alone to upgrade

I agree that there are a whole bunch of questions that have been asked here and on GearSlutz that could've been added to the website, like (for example) "I have a bunch of TR4 plugins. If I buy the €99 upgrade will they all work as TR5 plugins?". Peter did clarify that but it got asked a lot before a definite answer was given. Why was that not on the IK website? "Hey, buy the €99 upgrade and all your existing plugins will be upgraded to TR5" - that would've been useful.

New modules appear to be amazing.

This is true

[fmr]

Just a question: If I buy the base version, and since I have all T-Racks plug-ins, will all of them get updated to version 5?

They are not remastered but they will work in T-RackS 5 and will still get some sonic benefit due to the updated audio engine in T-RackS 5.

Sorry if I am insisting in this point, but then, someone who buys T-Racks 5 Max NOW will get the current (v4) plug-ins (with the exception of those that are new to version 5, which are all in the base version)?

Or are there already new versions of ALL plug-ins, which only those that buy T-Racks v5 Max will get?

In case that all the other plug-ins that will be in T-Racks 5 are in fact the current v4 plug-ins, will they get updated? And if, and when, they will, will it be a paid upgrade?

[chili beans]

...they (IK Marketing geniuses) added this IK currency to their shop to confuse and make fool of people, to convince them that they are getting something and "spare" something in the line while in fact people does get less and are more and more confused.

Well, yes and no. If I wanted to buy the TR5 upgrade for €99+VAT, my current Jampoints would reduce this down to €69+VAT, not a trivial discount. Whilst I agree it's a bit confusing, it's worth money and I have used them in the past to reduce the price so it does work.

People does not have a clue what and how to save let alone to upgrade

I agree that there are a whole bunch of questions that have been asked here and on GearSlutz that could've been added to the website, like (for example) "I have a bunch of TR4 plugins. If I buy the €99 upgrade will they all work as TR5 plugins?". Peter did clarify that but it got asked a lot before a definite answer was given. Why was that not on the IK website? "Hey, buy the €99 upgrade and all your existing plugins will be upgraded to TR5" - that would've been useful.

New modules appear to be amazing.

This is true

OK so it's confirmed that if someone has v4 plugins they will be updated to v5 if you purchase the $99 upgrade?