About CLAP

[machinesworking]

All of those are not really that good either.

Sure, the main thing IMO is it has to not sound like or lead to harder internet searches. VST is great because nothing else comes up. CLAP is too common, AUF would be IMO the best not because it sounds cool but because putting in a search engine "Zebra CLAP" will get a lot more weird hits than "Zebra AUF".

Or to put it plainly, VST is gold, probably not going to get another acronym that works like that, AU, AAX are both pretty bad, but we got used to them.

[Danilo Villanova]

So everyone in this forum will get the Clap and spread it to the rest of the world?

[BBFG#]

I’ve said it in the MFM thread, I would LOVE for Bitwig to license the uhe algos the way that Ableton licenses Cytomic and AAS.

I never used the AAS stuff in Live cause I had the plugins. All the Live versions miss a few features.

I'm happy using u-he plugins in Bitwig... especially if Bitwig per voice modulation can work with u-he CLAP plugins!

Yeah, but I think having quality stock plugins would make Bitwig a much more compelling package than it is now.

Bitwig already has some quality stock instruments and fx

Eh. Subjective I guess. I don't care for any of them. Just trying to figure out how to disable the nag-box of installing them I continually get from Bitwig now. Dead weight and space to me.

And being the beginning of things, this is the time for trivial things like the acronym used. I think much of that started here by our interest in searching out more information on it and getting so many results that have no relation to what's being discussed here.

"Clever" is often considered pompous on its own.
My ongoing suggestions would be "AWL" TO designate the three OS or DMP in acronym to Digital Media Plugin.

[pierb]

Bitwig already has some quality stock instruments and fx

100% agree. The Bitwig devices are really top notch in terms of sound.

If only they implemented an MSEG modulator...

[Freaqpeak]

If CLAP will become superior to other formats from both dev and user perspective Steiny will have a big problem.. as of now VST3 is good/great for Cubendo users.
But if CLAP shows to be a lot better for modern CPUs etc there is absolutely a chance users will pick a daw that supports the format.
Brave decission to do this.. kudos to everyone involved.

[GruvSyco]

Would love to see a list of companies already on board and those considering it.

[rafa1981]

If it's simple to understand it will become more reliable on average by definition. Add CPU performance when multithreading and the modulation stuff and there you have reasons to attract users.

JUCE is still the main target to reach long/medium term IMO. Clap allows U-he and the devs that have its own multiplatform framework to wrap plugin format stuff with Clap, but the smart choice for new devs with no own multiplatform framework will still be JUCE or iPlug (no Linux).

But would JUCE abstract CLAP-only features, e.g. the thread pool? I assume the first iterations, whenever they come, to be barebones, so no initially. Probably I'm wrong though, I don't know the framework enough, but some things might require big refactors and breaking existing interfaces.

I don't know if there is business in U-he open sourcing the whole U-he framework under a Juce- like business model, so the (high) costs of maintaining your framework can be self-sustained and the core of U-he can stop being distracted and dedicate to what they do best. Risky business, I guess it depends a lot on if your framework is low-friction high-quality code, getting (non-audio C++) devs on board and how many years could you sustain losses.

My main point is that no matter how easy CLAP makes plugin wrapping, for new plugin devs getting onboard it needs a framework. If the framework needs to support many formats it will probably use the minimum features common to all of them.

[rafa1981]

Well, if that open-source framework included the anti-piracy it would be the obvious choice for small/medium non-ilok players that are actually using activation keys, but I guess that it's a thing it can neither be revealed open-sourced nor packaged, more a way of coding.

[pdxindy]

Bitwig already has some quality stock instruments and fx

100% agree. The Bitwig devices are really top notch in terms of sound.

If only they implemented an MSEG modulator...

Seems inevitable that an MSEG will materialize at some point.

I find the Bitwig instruments more and more useful. Polysynth is under the radar and easily dismissed but is quite good. Polymer and Grid sound excellent. Sampler too. Phase-4 is also solid. I use the included instruments more in Bitwig than I did in other DAW's.

[pdxindy]

Would love to see a list of companies already on board and those considering it.

For me, as long as that includes Bitwig and u-he, I'm set! And it already does so I'm good

[BBFG#]

Would love to see a list of companies already on board and those considering it.

For me, as long as that includes Bitwig and u-he, I'm set! And it already does so I'm good

And Modartt!
Have also had an escalation of using Harrison Mixbius. So hopefully them as well. Generally, anyone that already offers all three OS platforms seem to be the first to target.

[NAD]

I wonder, would it conceivably be possible to have synths respond to slide notes like the the native fl studio ones do?

[EvilDragon]

This is kinda what VST3 Note Expression is doing (in greater detail too). So you have that in Cubase and Bitwig (per note controllers). Live does something similar, but they did it their way and not via Note Expression (ergh).

[pierb]

Seems inevitable that an MSEG will materialize at some point.

I agree but Bitwig has been out since 2014 and still no MSEG...

[machinesworking]

It is a testimony to how much developers both host and plug in wise, are not happy with VST 3 that people are finally talking about an open plug in format some 15+ years later, after AU came in and added another spoke on the wheel.