The long DIVA thread

[hersoot]

(that was fast)

[EvilDragon]

Zeebs.

Awesome nickname.

[Mplay]

Urs, the notehanging bug seems to be fixed in the last Beta?

Haven't had any hanging notes with new beta as well. Also there was no preset map in the win installer this time, I had to create my own.

[ViktorW]

... retriggering the envelopes when sustain pedal is being held and I'm doing hammer-on pull-off repetitions between one held key and the other key being tapped, in monophonic mode ...

You mention this technique every now and then, EvilDragon, (or someone does at least), and I've always wondered what exactly you mean.

Do you think you could perhaps post an audio example of what that sounds like? If it's a cool thing for playing solos, I might like to try that...

[EvilDragon]

Here's an audio example (VAZ Modular here):

http://www.box.net/shared/k0892h1myy

First is with sustain pedal, then without, then with sustain pedal again.

I want the behavior without sustain pedal to be exactly the same when the sustain pedal is pressed, so I can do fluid and fast legato lines under sustain pedal, along with this type of hammer-on pull-off guitaresque technique. Currently, this cannot be done in any u-he synths unfortunately.

For example, try the free Elektrostudio synth pack. All synths that allow monophonic mode (say, MoonSonoSx) behave exactly like I want when sustain pedal is pressed - allowing fluid legato AND hammering on trills.

[Urs]

Does the duo mode work?

Not properly yet, no.

[Howard]

Currently, this cannot be done in any u-he synths unfortunately.

Confirmed here.

[Nig]

...the only thing that could make it better is to give a bundle price for Zebra and Diva together for those of us that are new to u-he goodness....

Well if you want to get Zebra you can get a $50 discount with their dinosaur crossgrade
http://www.u-he.com/cms/zebra2-dinosaur-crossgrade

And with the DIVA introductory offer you are saving another $60.

So:
$50 + $60 = $110

$110, that's sure a nice saving...

[Urs]

We have a noiseless version of the famous synth chorus, the ensemble modelled after a digital emulation of *that* ensemble (I don't have a Polysix for reference), the other chorus is taken from a legendary digital multifx box, but tweaked to my liking.

Wow. Now i know why that ensemble sounds great. I love the Ensemble FX from the Korg emulation. I never played a real one so this is my only reference.

I'll go and try to recreate my favorite Polysix patches with Diva now...
Will be difficult to replicate the SSM filter with Diva but i'll try.

I won't insist that the ensemble is perfect though, I just looked at the behaviour of the other one and made some wild guesses. There's 6 taps and 3 LFOs, and the relation of the LFO speeds may be slightly off, whereas I think the depths are pretty correct.

Regarding SSM, we have an Opera 6 which sounds nothing like Korg's Polysix emulation. That's why we haven't even bothered With any OpAmp ladder until we can get hold of either a Polysix or (better) an Rev 2 Prophet 5.

[ViktorW]

@EvilDragon:
So only the note you played when pressing the pedal is held, then you just have to hit another note for trills (and everytime you let go of that other note, it jumps back to the held note). Is that it?

Well, for trills were the alternating notes are close together, it's not so super necessary, is it? You could just play the trills by hand.
But I agree that for situations where the held note is lower down and you want to play fast monophonic stuff with the notes jumping back down to the lower note every time, it does seem useful. That is, is you want to use your left hand for something else, like modwheel action or so.

Alright, thanks a million, EvilDragon, for the example, and so quickly!

Cheers

[Nig]

Ordered this up a while ago. Probably don't need to be spending more money but hey, one payment and this DIVA will treat me good for a long time

Is there a story behind that post?

Lets just say that she keeps me up late at night

[EvilDragon]

@EvilDragon:
So only the note you played when pressing the pedal is held, then you just have to hit another note for trills (and everytime you let go of that other note, it jumps back to the held note). Is that it?

Basically, I press the sustain pedal, hold a lower note, then just tap the keys above and below (last note priority) to do some crazy tapping action. And yes...:

But I agree that for situations where the held note is lower down and you want to play fast monophonic stuff with the notes jumping back down to the lower note every time, it does seem useful. That is, is you want to use your left hand for something else, like modwheel action or so.

My point exactly! Moreover, if I play a legato line under sustain pedal, and I want to trill correctly, I don't want to raise the sustain pedal from my monophonic lead. I want to keep it pressed to preserve legato. But currently, the tapped notes get eaten instead of played out, that's the main issue here...

Alright, thanks a million, EvilDragon, for the example, and so quickly!

Cheers

I had that example prepared since quite some time ago.

[Ingonator]

We have a noiseless version of the famous synth chorus, the ensemble modelled after a digital emulation of *that* ensemble (I don't have a Polysix for reference), the other chorus is taken from a legendary digital multifx box, but tweaked to my liking.

Wow. Now i know why that ensemble sounds great. I love the Ensemble FX from the Korg emulation. I never played a real one so this is my only reference.

I'll go and try to recreate my favorite Polysix patches with Diva now...
Will be difficult to replicate the SSM filter with Diva but i'll try.

I won't insist that the ensemble is perfect though, I just looked at the behaviour of the other one and made some wild guesses. There's 6 taps and 3 LFOs, and the relation of the LFO speeds may be slightly off, whereas I think the depths are pretty correct.

Regarding SSM, we have an Opera 6 which sounds nothing like Korg's Polysix emulation. That's why we haven't even bothered With any OpAmp ladder until we can get hold of either a Polysix or (better) an Rev 2 Prophet 5.

Hi Urs,

nice that you try to implement the Polysix/Prophet SSM filter. Would be great.

I just tried to replicate a Polysix patch (from the emulation) using the Jupiter modules (others are too different and/or got no PWM) and the ensemble. Sounds nice but a bit different. I'll post this with the next update of my Diva presets.

One thing missing then would be an Oberheim filter. A Matrix 12 multimode filter could maybe kill the CPU (and is lots of work) as the Jupiter 6 multimode could already do in some cases.


Ingo

[pdxindy]

On a softsynth it seems as if turning down oscillator volume entails a step too many, so they're always fully up, and a lot of goodness gets lost in overdrive. We shall make a video about that, too.

We need that step in every oscillator mode. Yes, video required at some point...

I'd like a master osc volume... so for example, with the Osc Bank a control to lower all 3 osc's together

or maybe a master osc volume knob could be down in the Amp/Pan section

[hakey]

Does the duo mode work?

Not properly yet, no.

Any chance of implementing that duo+mono-retrigger idea I mentioned a while back?

Regards,

The Weird Brigade