granted, but it is a high price to pay for a fairly inocuous oversight.Scoops wrote:Man,Mr. Tingle wrote:Even the most basic apps. since computers began have this very useful feature:
-They tell you when the drive is full when your saving a file.
With Tracktion it does nothing.
This means that you can easily think you've saved when infact you have just lost your edit/ achive/ export.
I think this is basic programming and needs an immediate fix.
I cant imagine workin to the point where I'd fill my HD without my knowledge. Granted, audio files take up alot of space, but, the MOST IMPORTANT tool you have for making music nowdays is your computer. You have to make sure your computer is "tuned up" for the job. It's kinda like a race car. Not only does it have to be tuned up, but you have to make sure you have enough gas. In this analogy gas = HD. You shouldn't really start the race with a gallon of gas in the tank.
Scoops
Trackion doesn't indicated when the drive is full
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
tingle ...
... doesnt help your immediate frustration ... but rest assured this discussion is now also continuing in another place with more important ears listening ...
slainte
rob
... doesnt help your immediate frustration ... but rest assured this discussion is now also continuing in another place with more important ears listening ...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
remember T is not just used by tidy pro users, but a large range of beginners, many who find T the perfect easy entry into music recording without having to learn masses of tech info.
T is very good at handling behind the scenes stuff ie archiving, midi and audio on the same track, multiple sample rate audio files in the same edit etc, etc. This is one of its strengths, hence bringing this error to the attention of the Mackie staff.
T is very good at handling behind the scenes stuff ie archiving, midi and audio on the same track, multiple sample rate audio files in the same edit etc, etc. This is one of its strengths, hence bringing this error to the attention of the Mackie staff.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Well, I already replied to your other thread... however, I'll post the short version:
- I doubt that all audio apps check for disk space, simply because it can't be known until after render, how large your file will be.
- That said, there ARE ways it could be calculated or at least "ballparked" and the a warning returned
- Without the ballpark, an "error has been encountered" message SHOULD be in there. Can't argue with that.
Now, it's point #3 that's really the kicker, for me. In your other thread, I almost even said, "Are you out of hard drive space?" but I didn't for 2 reasons-- 1. I figured you'd be doing some housekeeping, but ALSO 2. I thought for sure Tracktion would give a warning if it ran out of room.
SO.... I DO totally agree with you that it's an oversight, so please don't think that I'm trying to talk you out of being frustrated. I really honestly do think Tracktion should have returned an error. But I can't help but think that you should shoulder at least part of the responsibility. On a different day, or with different people responding to your thread, you might have solved it on your own in 5 minutes, which wouldn't have left you feeling quite as slighted. And yet, the same conclusions would have been reached.
Ya know?
Just sayin. Ron's wrong-- don't buy another hard drive as a bandaid solution to the problem. Beno's already indicated that it'll be addressed. You're right to be upset. Just don't let it ruin your day.
Greg
- I doubt that all audio apps check for disk space, simply because it can't be known until after render, how large your file will be.
- That said, there ARE ways it could be calculated or at least "ballparked" and the a warning returned
- Without the ballpark, an "error has been encountered" message SHOULD be in there. Can't argue with that.
Now, it's point #3 that's really the kicker, for me. In your other thread, I almost even said, "Are you out of hard drive space?" but I didn't for 2 reasons-- 1. I figured you'd be doing some housekeeping, but ALSO 2. I thought for sure Tracktion would give a warning if it ran out of room.
SO.... I DO totally agree with you that it's an oversight, so please don't think that I'm trying to talk you out of being frustrated. I really honestly do think Tracktion should have returned an error. But I can't help but think that you should shoulder at least part of the responsibility. On a different day, or with different people responding to your thread, you might have solved it on your own in 5 minutes, which wouldn't have left you feeling quite as slighted.
And yet, the same conclusions would have been reached.Ya know?
Just sayin. Ron's wrong-- don't buy another hard drive as a bandaid solution to the problem. Beno's already indicated that it'll be addressed. You're right to be upset. Just don't let it ruin your day.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
solving the problem is fine fo me, helping to make T better by bringing this to Mackie's attention is to help everyone.Lunch Money wrote:On a different day, or with different people responding to your thread, you might have solved it on your own in 5 minutes, which wouldn't have left you feeling quite as slighted.
Greg
Just think - potentially one less really anoying thing that wont happen to you, because of me
If this happened to Vernon Reid I think Mackie might blush and there would be a quick fix.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
The way I would do it would be to write the edit/archive/export to ram or virtual harddrive space then put it into the desired hard drive location. You could easily check to see if the file was bigger than the hd space and even give you another option for where to save it too.Lunch Money wrote: - I doubt that all audio apps check for disk space, simply because it can't be known until after render, how large your file will be.
If the virtual space got filled too then I think the operating system might flag an error in which case you'd tell the user that the operation has failed.
[it's been a long time since I did any programming]
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
All good points. I don't think Mackie needs a Vernon Reid to get them to put in the fix, a Mr. Tingle will do just fine. 
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
I think they should make me a beta testerLunch Money wrote:All good points. I don't think Mackie needs a Vernon Reid to get them to put in the fix, a Mr. Tingle will do just fine.
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2009 posts since 9 Apr, 2003 from Cornwall, UK
you might not believe it, but apparently...
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
they must be really intelligent talented power users then ???
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I heard that ONE of them is. Rumour has it that the rest are numpties.
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- KVRist
- 230 posts since 25 Nov, 2004
That, sir, would depend upon your pit strategy. Don't make assumptions.Scoops wrote:You shouldn't really start the race with a gallon of gas in the tank.
Scoops
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- KVRAF
- 2168 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from For me to know, for you to find out
Agreed,Mr. Tingle wrote:granted, but it is a high price to pay for a fairly inocuous oversight.Scoops wrote:Man,Mr. Tingle wrote:Even the most basic apps. since computers began have this very useful feature:
-They tell you when the drive is full when your saving a file.
With Tracktion it does nothing.
This means that you can easily think you've saved when infact you have just lost your edit/ achive/ export.
I think this is basic programming and needs an immediate fix.
I cant imagine workin to the point where I'd fill my HD without my knowledge. Granted, audio files take up alot of space, but, the MOST IMPORTANT tool you have for making music nowdays is your computer. You have to make sure your computer is "tuned up" for the job. It's kinda like a race car. Not only does it have to be tuned up, but you have to make sure you have enough gas. In this analogy gas = HD. You shouldn't really start the race with a gallon of gas in the tank.
Scoops
Unfortunately, I learned this lesson at a regular job once. Got my butt reamed real good (I was sys admin). I never let it happen to me again.
Scoops
I have a really fast computer, some good mics, vintage musical instruments, and lots of fancy software. Just need some talent
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- KVRian
- 886 posts since 2 Jun, 2005 from Hawaii
i say this in the least insulting way possible, but:It took me a day of trouble shooting to find that the partion being full was the problem, and even then it was a pure accident that made me think that was the cause. This is not an easy thing to solve.
it took you a whole day to think of going into "my computer," right clicking on the drive and hitting "properties"?
i'm assuming youre using windows, though i don't imagine it's much harder on mac (especially since mac is supposed to be better than windows in every way imaginable (or so i've heard in mac forums (i'm now writing in a parenthesis within a parenthesis within a parenthesis; and guess what: i'm bustin' outta here with only 2 instances of ")" (this parenthesis joke is not an original of mine)).