MeldaProduction

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:56 am

Pat2070 wrote:Allowing the harmonics controls to be modulated would be extreme!

Hehe this is not a good idea - besides some problems with backward compatibility, this wouldn't work very well, because they are integral, so they would cause phasing issues and probably some zipper noise. But I can check of course.

Pat2070 · Post by **Pat2070** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:47 am

Heya Vojtech

I've been exploring Mfilter and saving more presets. Not enough to send you yet, but they're in the process of being made

I hope you don't mind, I've started spreading the word about Mfilter already ---> http://www.dubstepforum.com/your-filter ... 19775.html

Well, I think the Creative bundle is tops so I've been promoting that too!

(If you do mind, I can delete my posts there)

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Ever more FR's hehe (What you've implemented in Mfilter already is easily the most powerful filter I've ever used!)

-The multi-parameter control and enhanced modulators from Mfilter used on the other Mcreative plugins. (Defo would be great)

-Being able to modulate the LFO sync time would be great.

-Would it be possible to have both faster and slower LFO sync times available?

-How about an all pass filter type as well???

-The option to delay each band between 0.01ms - 30ms before mixing back into the original signal?

Combined with the amazing new harmonics controls, either of the last two options would give rise to some very weird funky shit

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Does mfilter function with linear phase, and does it show phase info on the graph? I'm seeing this weird 'shadow' when using a low shelf with lots of harmonics.

(Btw, using a low shelf with negative harmonics creates vowel sounds!)

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So many requests, so little time haha! I trust you're having some time off at Crimbo?

Pat2070 · Post by **Pat2070** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:15 am

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Pat2070 · Post by **Pat2070** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:28 am

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AL321 · Post by **AL321** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:25 am

WTF, that looks sick. Pat move your ass with those presets lol.

Multiparameter? Is that gonna be applied to the whole Creative Bundle, or just for the filter?

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:01 am

Hey Pat,

thanks! Promoting is always good! Keep on with it

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Now to your questions:

-The multi-parameter control and enhanced modulators from Mfilter used on the other Mcreative plugins. (Defo would be great)

Sure it will!

-Being able to modulate the LFO sync time would be great.

Oukey doukey, that shouldn't be a big problem, I hope at least

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-Would it be possible to have both faster and slower LFO sync times available?

He? I'm don't really understand this one

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-How about an all pass filter type as well??? Very Happy

Well, why not

, I just hope people won't be to scared of filter, that does nothing to the frequency response

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-The option to delay each band between 0.01ms - 30ms before mixing back into the original signal?

I'm afraid I've to say no to this. The MFilter bands do not separate frequencies, so there is technically no way to delay some subsignals, when there are none. If you mean bands in other MCreativeBundle plugins, then it would be possible, but it is not that easy and I'm not sure how useful would that be. Well, I'll check.

- Phase

MFilter does not show phase, the "shadow" is just below the response. Obviously more bands means more phase change. It could be linear-phase, but that would mean much higher price, because for example check MAutoEqualizer

. These algorithms are just too expensive.

Pat2070 · Post by **Pat2070** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:52 pm

Yes, I understand your point on individual frequency band delays not being possible.

Hopefully that doesn't exclude the idea of having one global delay for the whole filter though?!

A global delay, given in either milliseconds or sample blocks, would still be super. If the delay time were given in sample blocks, the user would have control over how many processing sample blocks the output signal was delayed by...

I've provided some audio samples demonstrating the effects of delaying a signal on itself and how MFilter could be used to radically shape the tone of the delayed signal for creative purposes.

The basic audio principal at work here is phase interference. This principle can be explored using MDelay by setting 50% dry/wet on a signal and modulating the delay time between 1ms - 15ms.

To create the samples below, I used;

-Vember Audio Surge playing a unmodulated saw wave at C3.
-Kjaerhus Audio Classic Delay (with modulated delay time in milliseconds)
-MFilter.

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DivShare File - 1 - Basic Saw Wave - No Delay.mp3

DivShare File - 2 - Basic Saw Wave with Delay - No Feedba.mp3

DivShare File - 3 - Basic Saw Wave with Delay - With Feed.mp3

DivShare File - 4 - Basic Saw Wave with Delay + Mfilter -.mp3

DivShare File - 5 - Basic Saw Wave with Delay + Mfilter -.mp3

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Here's a quick mock up of the envisioned GUI. (NOTE: Click on any screenshot to see an expanded version)

Screenshot of the filter curve used in the example sounds

Screenshot of the custom modulator curve used in the example sounds

Screenshot of the delay time automation used in the example sounds

Screenshot of the output waveforms. Note that I have not changed the volume of any wayform in any way.

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As ever, the possibilities are endless!

MFilter could create hyper shapable resonation, phasing, chorussing and flanging. All on top of its current abilities to morph filters and simply EQ...!!!

Pat

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:19 pm

Whau Pat, you have played with it a lot

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I'm aware of what can delay do, just I'm not sure if it is the right thing to do here, seems to me like 2 different effects. You know delays can be quite complex, so putting it into MFilter, I don't know.

Pat2070 · Post by **Pat2070** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:49 pm

I do admit that its sheer laziness that's motivating the ingrained delay FR

One can alwys chuck MMultibandDelay before or after to get the same results.

If you did feel like doing an experimental version with a super simple delay line in set in milliseconds only, I wouldn't complain hihi

Pat2070 · Post by **Pat2070** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:26 pm

Is there any way to set the phase of the freecycling LFO?

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:28 pm

Hehe, ok, if there's some time

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The phase - what you mean? There is a phase setting in the "synchronization" panel.

Pat2070 · Post by **Pat2070** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:32 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:Hehe, ok, if there's some time .
The phase - what you mean? There is a phase setting in the "synchronization" panel.

The tempo synced LFO has a start phase control, but not the unsynced mode.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:34 pm

But what you mean then?

Pat2070 · Post by **Pat2070** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:10 am

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:12 am

Hehe, yeah, but what would be the purpose? Phase must be related to something.

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