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zbpc1 · Post by **zbpc1** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:31 pm

Yes they do - I put in a support request myself about it maybe 6 or more months ago and haven't heard a thing from them - their support is crap.

If you read my post carfully, I agree with you. I said they know about it and have not fixed it or even acknowledged it i public.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:33 pm

What makes you think I was disagreeing with you?

zbpc1 · Post by **zbpc1** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:39 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
zbpc1 wrote:The problem is Sonar X1. If you use Sonar 8.5 it will work. Cakewalk support knows of this problem and it appears they have no plans to fix the problem.

Yes they do - I put in a support request myself about it maybe 6 or more months ago and haven't heard a thing from them - their support is crap

I misunderstood, sorry about that. I hope Cakewalk will fix that in the next update.

Guitarman1 · Post by **Guitarman1** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:49 pm

That's too bad. It would make a lot of discussions here easier to follow if we could more readily attach images to our messages, but I know there are potential problems associated with making that possible.

Rob

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:37 pm

Forums allow you to post images now (often didn't in years past) but they don't themselves provide server space for those images. If they did, the required server space and bandwidth would be significantly greater than what they currently handle - for free to us.

Guitarman1 · Post by **Guitarman1** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:47 am

Yeah, that was one of the potential problems I was referring to

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Rob

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:07 pm

Guitarman1 wrote:Yeah, that was one of the potential problems I was referring to !

Rob

Just use a site like http://tinypic.com to upload your image. After you upload an image you get a page with several URL links on it. One of them looks like the following:

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[img]http://tinypic.com/path/to/image.jpg[/img]

If you cut and paste the entire thing, including the bracket tags into a post then the image shows up inline. It's how I posted my image to you earlier.

Guitarman1 · Post by **Guitarman1** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:23 pm

Okay. Thanks a million. Now I have to try it out in context and see what comes of it!

I am a bit confused because the images I see in this discussion both came from aMUSEd and these instructions came from bmrzycki, who reports having put up an image, as well, which I do not see (not that that is particularly important, just a little confusing).

Anyway, aMUSEd demonstrated the Dimension Pro plugin in a version of Sonar that allowed clicking on a keyboard-like key in the right upper corner that would allow you to turn keystrokes over to the plugin from Sonar. If I've done this correctly, the image should be repeated just below.

As I described, my version of Dimension Pro does not have that key and is otherwise different from the version demonstrated by aMUSEd. It leaves me unaware of any way to turn keystrokes over to the keyboard, but fortunately I do not find it too much of an inconvenience to type the name of a preset into a word processor and copy and paste it back into the preset naming field when saving a preset. My version of Dimension Pro is demonstrated next below.

Curiously, perhaps, I have found that some plugins, including my u-he plugins, among others, have none of those keys. I haven't missed them, so far. Here is an image of Kong Audio's Chinee ErHu in Sonar X1:

Anyway, thanks for demonstrating that for me. I think images can help a lot in discussion at times, and I have a tendency to find myself on a number of different discussion groups over time. This is really cool!

Rob R

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:34 pm

Curious - I haven't been able to find any setting that toggles the top plugin tool strip in Sonar X1 to show/hide the automation, ACT and keystrokes icons. They should appear by default on all plugins (and do on mine). That bottom one looks like it has some sort of wrapper being used? That makes me think are you using the 32 bit versions in 64 bit Sonar?

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:37 pm

Guitarman1 wrote:Curiously, perhaps, I have found that some plugins, including my u-he plugins, among others, have none of those keys. I haven't missed them, so far.

I'm glad you like the image inserter, you're welcome.

I have no idea why your Dimension pro screenshot looks different from aMUSEd's. I'll let him try to answer that.

Regarding plugins similar to Chinee ErHu, do you notice how it does not say x64 next to the name (like Dimension pro does)? That likely means it's a 32-bit plugin. This means your DAW (Sonar X1) is having to do special things with the plugin to make them work in a 64-bit host, called bridging. Many hosts treat bridged (32-bit plugins in a 64-bit host) differently than 64-bit plugins. Make sure you are using the Diva(x64).dll and not Diva.dll with Sonar. If you do that you should get the buttons similar to dimension pro. This might help you a bit.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:39 pm

Yeah these are wrapped 32 bit plugins - no wonder the toolbar is not showing. You need to be using the 64 bit version of Diva - then it will show including the keystrokes icon

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:41 pm

bmrzycki wrote:
Guitarman1 wrote:Curiously, perhaps, I have found that some plugins, including my u-he plugins, among others, have none of those keys. I haven't missed them, so far.
I'm glad you like the image inserter, you're welcome.

I have no idea why your Dimension pro screenshot looks different from aMUSEd's. I'll let him try to answer that.

Oh that's just because its from an earlier version of Sonar - the only image I had at hand at the time as I did not have my DAW on to take a screenshot from - but enough to show the keystrokes icon in the same place it still is now (there are just a couple more things now like the ACT and step sequencer but they did not seem relevant anyway)

Guitarman1 · Post by **Guitarman1** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:03 pm

aMUSEd wrote:Curious - I haven't been able to find any setting that toggles the top plugin tool strip in Sonar X1 to show/hide the automation, ACT and keystrokes icons. They should appear by default on all plugins (and do on mine). That bottom one looks like it has some sort of wrapper being used? That makes me think are you using the 32 bit versions in 64 bit Sonar?

I don't know what to think. I had never bothered to notice the difference between the 32-bit plugins with the j-bridge and the 64-bit plugins, but it looks like you're right on that count. I have enough storage that when I converted to a 64-bit system, I did not bother to delete my 32-bit VSTi's, so I have a number of them in both formats. Of course, some, including the Kong Audio samplers, one of which I demonstrated, are not yet available in 64-bit formats, but when I made my comment about my u-he plugins, I had just opened the 32-bit version of Zebra2 to see what was there. Now that you've made this comment, I just opened the 64-bit version, and it does have the buttons in the top row, but they are just like what I demonstrated in Dimension Pro on my system. I have no keyboard button (at least there is consistency!):

As far as installing Diva in 64-bit format, I have ACE, Zebra2, and Zebralette all installed in both formats, but the difficulty installing Diva that led to this discussion in the first place has left me a bit nervous about trying to install it in 64-bit now that I at least have it working in 32-bit format. I have already installed it in 64-bit format several times trying to get it to work and my intention appears to have been thwarted by this curious installation that does not look like anything I would have done in the first place. I just ended up having to uninstall the failed 64-bit installation each time. I guess now that it is working, at least, I could give another try to installing the 64-bit version.

At the same time, it still appears I will not get the keyboard button that lets me turn keystrokes from Sonar over to the plugin. Perhaps I will take the time to contact Cakewalk support on that today. BTW, I don't know how responsive they are to suggestions/recommendations/requests for change in the programming, but I have had several good encounters with them just trying to sort out problems such as this one. I will remain hopeful.

Rob

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:14 pm

Guitarman1 wrote:At the same time, it still appears I will not get the keyboard button that lets me turn keystrokes from Sonar over to the plugin.

Ah no - that's what I was saying in my first post - even with that enabled you can't write a lot of text in Diva's save preset window (basically anything that Sonar interprets as a keyboard command it steals and only lets through what is left). That is a Sonar bug and they have not been responsive in dealing with it - I reported it many months ago and am not the only one it seems. What the keystrokes button does enable is me to use ctrl v to copy/paste from Notepad into Diva's text windows - which is a workaround but it at least works.

Sorry still don't know why that button is not there on your system.

Guitarman1 · Post by **Guitarman1** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:20 pm

(You may notice the format of the next quote is off a bit. Because it was a quote of a quote of a quote, it came out looking all wrong, so I did some copying, typing, and pasting, and created an image in Paint Shop as close as I could get to what it ordinarily looks like and pasted it in here using TinyPic, again, instead of leaving the mess that arose from the HTML code as it was. I did not know how to fix the code).

I totally misunderstood. I thought you meant to say that a control that opened with that button allowed the plugin to take over the keystrokes, so that they no longer annoyingly were converted into Sonar keyboard commands. Is there anything "apolitical" about this KVR site? Maybe we could start a New Topic requesting users of Sonar to contact Cakewalk en masse and demand that they get this fixed. It is asinine.

aMUSEd wrote:What the keystrokes button does enable is me to use ctrl v to copy/paste from Notepad into Diva's text windows - which is a workaround but it at least works.

Sorry still don't know why that button is not there on your system.

That is interesting, but I found I could simply type a name for a preset into Word (as my PC is set up, that is more readily accessible than Notepad--same difference!), copy it, and then paste it right into the Name field in the preset save window. If having that keyboard key doesn't make it significantly simpler than that, I guess I won't miss it!

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Regarding my last note, I found I could now readily install the 64-bit version of Diva by just setting it up exactly as the curious installation of the 32-bit version had worked out, except putting it in Program Files rather than Program Files (x86). I will demonstrate the installation by going from folder to folder as it exists and works fine. Again, at least to me, it is of note that 1. the Diva.dll file and the Diva.data folder are both together and 2. that leaves the Diva.data folder in Program Files, either of which descriptor is contrary to the recommendations of the installation manual. Somehow I could not get it to work otherwise!

And I have no idea why on the first curious installation that worked out the presets folder was initially empty, but with this attempt, it is loaded, so I am good to go!

And, alas, here it is, in all its 64-bit glory, all its presets in place, and without that keyboard button of questionable value in the right upper corner (sorry, but once I learn how to do something new, I have to do it enough to assure it has sunk into my head!)

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Thanks, again, Rob

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Difficulty Naming Presets in Diva