You mean with the task bar style thing for hidden windows? Yeah, that'd be handy. It'd be cool for them to get saved with the project, too, although I think Jo's already got that on the wishlist.> DiGiT < wrote:this is sorta what im talking about with the task bar behavior i wish was there. its all about simplicity and functionality right? if the same button shows/hides something then to me it makes sense to the workflow.
Little request ...
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- KVRAF
- 2938 posts since 18 Jul, 2005
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- 897 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Detroit
ok just some further theory: put taskbar button position 1 through 16 (or whatever) on the shortcut destination list so you can assign a show/hide key for each window on your qwerty 
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- KVRAF
- 13863 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
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not sure there is one... im a fan of the 'tab' style interface. if you can get to any page from any page then that helps workflow imho. Muzys did that very well. of course mulab's interface is a bit more fractured in that its discreet parts are free floating. for this reason a task bar seems more appropriate.
i suppose the way maschine's onscreen interface is controlled from its hardware is sorta what i would like.
i suppose the way maschine's onscreen interface is controlled from its hardware is sorta what i would like.
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- KVRAF
- 13863 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
I'm not sure if i mentioned this already but you know that you can step thru the open editor windows via ctrl+TAB, do you?
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- 897 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Detroit
so then are you saying since you can do it that way theres no need to make it work another way?
and perhaps asking me to show you a host that does it the way i like is your way of suggesting the idea of copying another software's features is ludicrous to begin with?
and perhaps asking me to show you a host that does it the way i like is your way of suggesting the idea of copying another software's features is ludicrous to begin with?
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- KVRAF
- 13863 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
No, i did not say that.> DiGiT < wrote:so then are you saying since you can do it that way theres no need to make it work another way?
I'm just looking for options.and perhaps asking me to show you a host that does it the way i like is your way of suggesting the idea of copying another software's features is ludicrous to begin with?
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- 897 posts since 8 Jan, 2005 from Detroit
hmm im editing what i say after you respond... here is the rest of what i intended to say:
or perhaps that i should go use that software? surely you dont intend to recreate a feature included in another host? was i being silly when i asked for an LFO feature like the one in FLS? you dont feel pressure to be unique do you jo? is this pressure to be unique keeping you from adding straight forward useful features? a hidden feature is what you would prefer im guessing. and it has to operate in a manner unlike every other software out there to ensure that nobody accuses you of plagiarism. right? just trying to understand your intentions so i dont continue to desire something that will never be added.
ideas? i have ideas. i dont wanna be silly tho of course.
or perhaps that i should go use that software? surely you dont intend to recreate a feature included in another host? was i being silly when i asked for an LFO feature like the one in FLS? you dont feel pressure to be unique do you jo? is this pressure to be unique keeping you from adding straight forward useful features? a hidden feature is what you would prefer im guessing. and it has to operate in a manner unlike every other software out there to ensure that nobody accuses you of plagiarism. right? just trying to understand your intentions so i dont continue to desire something that will never be added.
ideas? i have ideas. i dont wanna be silly tho of course.
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- KVRAF
- 13863 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
I don't understand what you're saying but it all sounds rather negative> DiGiT < wrote:hmm im editing what i say after you respond... here is the rest of what i intended to say:
or perhaps that i should go use that software? surely you dont intend to recreate a feature included in another host? was i being silly when i asked for an LFO feature like the one in FLS? you dont feel pressure to be unique do you jo? is this pressure to be unique keeping you from adding straight forward useful features? a hidden feature is what you would prefer im guessing. and it has to operate in a manner unlike every other software out there to ensure that nobody accuses you of plagiarism. right?
If i'm not interested in this topic, then why am i looking for a possible solution? I don't see the logic in your reasonings.just trying to understand your intentions so i dont continue to desire something that will never be added.
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- KVRAF
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- 5068 posts since 27 Jul, 2004
>DiGiT< calm down... you get here obsessed with something, which never existed...> DiGiT < wrote:hmm im editing what i say after you respond... here is the rest of what i intended to say:
or perhaps that i should go use that software? surely you dont intend to recreate a feature included in another host? was i being silly when i asked for an LFO feature like the one in FLS? you dont feel pressure to be unique do you jo? is this pressure to be unique keeping you from adding straight forward useful features? a hidden feature is what you would prefer im guessing. and it has to operate in a manner unlike every other software out there to ensure that nobody accuses you of plagiarism. right? just trying to understand your intentions so i dont continue to desire something that will never be added.
ideas? i have ideas. i dont wanna be silly tho of course.
I read the last posts over and over again and I cannot follow you at all...
You said thank you for the hint and in the next post you come up with hundreds of (negative) possibilities, what could be meant by the question: "Can you please point me to another host which does it the way you like."...
Jo is a real honest and transparent developer and never said something negative about a request/problem/ idea...so I struggle with understanding, why you do attack him here... he didn't replied anything negative about your request...
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- KVRAF
- 13863 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
To build further on this topic:
First of all i think that such floating window selector is just about a big missing thing in the OS itself (OSX, Windows). It's stupid that each individual app developer must look for a solution. This should be handled on OS level. But it isn't (at least afaik), so lets see what we can do.
When the floating windows dock would be visible all the time, and so you could select windows via these buttons, well i'm not convinced that that would be the perfect solution. Because what if there are more open windows than there can be buttons on your screen? Start scrolling? Add another line of buttons? In both cases it won't be really comfortable i think. Another disadvantage is that it is text only, no graphical representation of the window itself. It would be nice to see a miniature version of the window (together with the title text), so things get more recognizable.
One idea i had was to replace the ctrl-tab behaviour by something like the standard alt-tab, so you get a popup list of windows, with a miniture graphic of them and their title, and so you can select the one you want. But that was just an idea. I want to collect some more ideas and select the best one.
That's why i checked some other apps to check how they handle this situation. But the ones i checked did not have a solution. That's also why i asked if someone knows an app that has great floating window management. The question remains. Or if you have good ideas, let me know.
Well at least we have the current hidden window dock and the ctrl-tab features already, these are already filling the need for some part. MuLab-wise, multi-core still is the top main feature to be implemented.
First of all i think that such floating window selector is just about a big missing thing in the OS itself (OSX, Windows). It's stupid that each individual app developer must look for a solution. This should be handled on OS level. But it isn't (at least afaik), so lets see what we can do.
When the floating windows dock would be visible all the time, and so you could select windows via these buttons, well i'm not convinced that that would be the perfect solution. Because what if there are more open windows than there can be buttons on your screen? Start scrolling? Add another line of buttons? In both cases it won't be really comfortable i think. Another disadvantage is that it is text only, no graphical representation of the window itself. It would be nice to see a miniature version of the window (together with the title text), so things get more recognizable.
One idea i had was to replace the ctrl-tab behaviour by something like the standard alt-tab, so you get a popup list of windows, with a miniture graphic of them and their title, and so you can select the one you want. But that was just an idea. I want to collect some more ideas and select the best one.
That's why i checked some other apps to check how they handle this situation. But the ones i checked did not have a solution. That's also why i asked if someone knows an app that has great floating window management. The question remains. Or if you have good ideas, let me know.
Well at least we have the current hidden window dock and the ctrl-tab features already, these are already filling the need for some part. MuLab-wise, multi-core still is the top main feature to be implemented.
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Jo, Browsers have something similar when dealing with Tabs and little windows representation, but it must be then not based entirely on the OS since I heard that writing a Browser is quite complex. That could be a great way to have tabs that can keep on growing in numbers and self adjusting to the width.
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- KVRAF
- 2938 posts since 18 Jul, 2005
I actually think the current tab dock is pretty cool. It could just do with a few tweaks (like toggle for show/hide - i.e. an ability to properly dock a window, so it stays on the dock) and save tabs with the project.
Sure, little window previews are cool and stuff, but I'd imagine it's probably a lot of development for a little polish.
About the problem of loads of items on a bar - it isn't really solvable IMO. It's hardly like Windows does it gracefully at least -- they just shrink and shrink until you can barely tell what they are. That's fine though, I mean, do you really need THAT much open at a time?
Sure, little window previews are cool and stuff, but I'd imagine it's probably a lot of development for a little polish.
About the problem of loads of items on a bar - it isn't really solvable IMO. It's hardly like Windows does it gracefully at least -- they just shrink and shrink until you can barely tell what they are. That's fine though, I mean, do you really need THAT much open at a time?