Speaking about fm possibilities in Bazilie.

[Howard]

Request, with all due respect, denied. Won't happen.

[pdxindy]

Nobody deny that Bazilie has some seriouse and complex features and most importently top of the line sound quality but what i ask is not there, and with that features what i ask will make Bazzzilie a full tool for making FM sounds!!!

You: I want more than 4 envelopes

My Reply: There are already more than 4 envelopes

You: But I want more than 4 envelopes

U did not read what i asked.
I requested a fully draweble custum graphical envelopes for pitch and amplitude for each osciletor. 2x4=8
The example of this can find in NI FM8

This is what you said about Bazille:

I lloked at Bazilie gui and it does not look like it is possible, it just have 4 old style Envelop generators with 4 predefined sliders.

It does not have "just" 4 old style envelope generators. It has far more.

You are asking for something like Zebra MSEG... Many things you might think you need the MSEG to do, you can already do, but it needs some different thinking because of the different tools.

No offense meant, but you need to spend some time learning what is there in order to even see where there might be a limitation. Bazille can already create complex envelope shapes that can be modulated in musically pleasing ways that are hard or impossible to do with the graphical envelopes you are asking for.

[chilly7]

Request, with all due respect, denied. Won't happen.

Who is u? Are uUhe employe?!

[EvilDragon]

That is correct.

[chilly7]

Nobody deny that Bazilie has some seriouse and complex features and most importently top of the line sound quality but what i ask is not there, and with that features what i ask will make Bazzzilie a full tool for making FM sounds!!!

You: I want more than 4 envelopes

My Reply: There are already more than 4 envelopes

You: But I want more than 4 envelopes

U did not read what i asked.
I requested a fully draweble custum graphical envelopes for pitch and amplitude for each osciletor. 2x4=8
The example of this can find in NI FM8

This is what you said about Bazille:

I lloked at Bazilie gui and it does not look like it is possible, it just have 4 old style Envelop generators with 4 predefined sliders.

It does not have "just" 4 old style envelope generators. It has far more.

You are asking for something like Zebra MSEG... Many things you might think you need the MSEG to do, you can already do, but it needs some different thinking because of the different tools.

No offense meant, but you need to spend some time learning what is there in order to even see where there might be a limitation. Bazille can already create complex envelope shapes that can be modulated in musically pleasing ways that are hard or impossible to do with the graphical envelopes you are asking for.

Yes, i was wrong that Bazilie has just 4 old style envelops, but that thing what i ask is still not there and because of that many sounds are not possible to do.
If for particular song u might be luck to get exect sound u need with out custom drawing envelops then good, but if not then bad...

P.s. Do not get me wrong, Bazilie looks like an amazing syntesizer but it is like heaving top of the line Ferrari car but it has 4 buttons for driving car(left,right,foward, back) insteed of real wheel and pedals...

[bmrzycki]

Request, with all due respect, denied. Won't happen.

Who is u? Are uUhe employe?!

Howard writes the manuals and creates all the presets (for almost every u-he product) that start with "HS".

[pdxindy]

P.s. Do not get me wrong, Bazilie looks like an amazing syntesizer but it is like heaving top of the line Ferrari car but it has 4 buttons for driving car(left,right,foward, back) insteed of real wheel and pedals...

Bazille resembles a Ferrari but is actually a spaceship and instead of going wow, I can explore a whole new dimension (up), you are trying to drive the spaceship down the road as if it's a car.

[lectrixboogaloo]

If for particular song u might be luck to get exect sound u need with out custom drawing envelops then good, but if not then bad...

P.s. Do not get me wrong, Bazilie looks like an amazing syntesizer but it is like heaving top of the line Ferrari car but it has 4 buttons for driving car(left,right,foward, back) insteed of real wheel and pedals...

Go to env, at amp mod, choose MMap1 and move the knob up. At mapping generator 1 choose mode 'map smooth' and source 'ramp1'. On Ramp 1, turn 'hold' and 'down' to zero and leave 'rest' turned all the way up. Now you have a sort of forwards going sample point reader with 'up' controlling the read speed. Draw your custom envelope shape in the mapper and adjust speed with 'ramp1 'up' knob and blend with the analog envelope using the env's amp mode knob as you need to.

(Well... since 'rest' stage of the ramp always plays the first map point it may be better to read the map backwards, i.e. with ramp 'up' at 0 and controlling the speed with 'down'. Feels a little strange, but whatever works?)

Maybe not perfect clone of a free form env with selectable d s and r points. In some ways (with some fiddling) it's better. Sure, in some ways it's not. But, point is, you can get very close results. Possibly out of luck, but probably not! I was able to emulate some cz envelope effects doing this, anyway.

[chilly7]

Request, with all due respect, denied. Won't happen.

Who is u? Are uUhe employe?!

Howard writes the manuals and creates all the presets (for almost every u-he product) that start with "HS".

I see.

[chilly7]

P.s. Do not get me wrong, Bazilie looks like an amazing syntesizer but it is like heaving top of the line Ferrari car but it has 4 buttons for driving car(left,right,foward, back) insteed of real wheel and pedals...

Bazille resembles a Ferrari but is actually a spaceship and instead of going wow, I can explore a whole new dimension (up), you are trying to drive the spaceship down the road as if it's a car.

I was giving analogy with car, but i can give analogy with speceship.
Bazilie is like spaseship, but unfortionaly it has options move(right,left,foward,back) but it cannot move in all direction in 3d emvoroment...

[chilly7]

If for particular song u might be luck to get exect sound u need with out custom drawing envelops then good, but if not then bad...

P.s. Do not get me wrong, Bazilie looks like an amazing syntesizer but it is like heaving top of the line Ferrari car but it has 4 buttons for driving car(left,right,foward, back) insteed of real wheel and pedals...

Go to env, at amp mod, choose MMap1 and move the knob up. At mapping generator 1 choose mode 'map smooth' and source 'ramp1'. On Ramp 1, turn 'hold' and 'down' to zero and leave 'rest' turned all the way up. Now you have a sort of forwards going sample point reader with 'up' controlling the read speed. Draw your custom envelope shape in the mapper and adjust speed with 'ramp1 'up' knob and blend with the analog envelope using the env's amp mode knob as you need to.

(Well... since 'rest' stage of the ramp always plays the first map point it may be better to read the map backwards, i.e. with ramp 'up' at 0 and controlling the speed with 'down'. Feels a little strange, but whatever works?)

Maybe not perfect clone of a free form env with selectable d s and r points. In some ways (with some fiddling) it's better. Sure, in some ways it's not. But, point is, you can get very close results. Possibly out of luck, but probably not! I was able to emulate some cz envelope effects doing this, anyway.

Thanks for sugesstion!!!

[EvilDragon]

P.s. Do not get me wrong, Bazilie looks like an amazing syntesizer but it is like heaving top of the line Ferrari car but it has 4 buttons for driving car(left,right,foward, back) insteed of real wheel and pedals...

Bazille resembles a Ferrari but is actually a spaceship and instead of going wow, I can explore a whole new dimension (up), you are trying to drive the spaceship down the road as if it's a car.

I was giving analogy with car, but i can give analogy with speceship.
Bazilie is like spaseship, but unfortionaly it has options move(right,left,foward,back) but it cannot move in all direction in 3d emvoroment...

That's an extremely bad analogy, and it's not true.

[xh3rv]

Bazilie is like spaseship, but unfortionaly it has options move(right,left,foward,back) but it cannot move in all direction in 3d emvoroment...

It's like the Millennium Falcon. It may not look up to par with an X-wing or a TIE fighter but need to push the limits, or pull off the unexpected? Just rip into the guts of the thing and rewire. It'll probably sound like Chewbacca and R2D2 while that's going on, also.

[pdxindy]

P.s. Do not get me wrong, Bazilie looks like an amazing syntesizer but it is like heaving top of the line Ferrari car but it has 4 buttons for driving car(left,right,foward, back) insteed of real wheel and pedals...

Bazille resembles a Ferrari but is actually a spaceship and instead of going wow, I can explore a whole new dimension (up), you are trying to drive the spaceship down the road as if it's a car.

I was giving analogy with car, but i can give analogy with speceship.
Bazilie is like spaseship, but unfortionaly it has options move(right,left,foward,back) but it cannot move in all direction in 3d emvoroment...

It is not the fault of the spaceship if the pilot doesn't recognize all the other controls

[chilly7]

P.s. Do not get me wrong, Bazilie looks like an amazing syntesizer but it is like heaving top of the line Ferrari car but it has 4 buttons for driving car(left,right,foward, back) insteed of real wheel and pedals...

Bazille resembles a Ferrari but is actually a spaceship and instead of going wow, I can explore a whole new dimension (up), you are trying to drive the spaceship down the road as if it's a car.

I was giving analogy with car, but i can give analogy with speceship.
Bazilie is like spaseship, but unfortionaly it has options move(right,left,foward,back) but it cannot move in all direction in 3d emvoroment...

It is not the fault of the spaceship if the pilot doesn't recognize all the other controls

true, but it is not the case in my case.
U can get alot of amazing sounds with Baziliebut also alot of amazing sounds are not possible or will not be exectly as needed by a createor....