Tracktion 2 Yes or No?

[Beardedone]

Thanks much,

That is how I imagined it would work. When I get some spare time I will try it.

And...Say thanks to Mr Slater for me.

Cheers,
Gordon

[chico.co.uk]

Did anyone else read that explanation of how to make chainer do midi automation in Sonar and think ... thank f**k I bought Tracktion?

eg.

In order to use the "direct" method in Sonar, you have to use the "old" method of inserting your DXi (or wrapped VSTi) in the FX bin of the audio track and then route the midi track to the DXi/VSTi manually -- assuming, here, that you want to use midi automation on the DXi/VSTi, of course. And, even using this latter (old / FX bin / manual), method, you don't get midi-learn from your controller.

No f**king wonder Jules decided to write a sequencer that doesn't require a three hundred page manual.

No offense to any sonar users (i used to be one), but wouldn't you rather make music than figure this stuff out?

[jtxx000]

No offense to any sonar users (i used to be one), but wouldn't you rather make music than figure this stuff out?

[Gwydi]

No offense to any sonar users (i used to be one), but wouldn't you rather make music than figure this stuff out?

That's exactly why I dropped Sonar 3 and started using Tracktion exclusively. Sonar 3 works, and you can do most things in it, but by the time you've done them, that moment of inspiration is usually a distant memory

For me, T2 is an automatic buy the day it's released.

G.

[valley]

I guess it goes without saying I'll be upgrading to T2.

[Mr. Slater's Parrot]

Did anyone else read that explanation of how to make chainer do midi automation in Sonar and think ... thank f**k I bought Tracktion?

I think you might be overreacting a bit on this one. It's a total of about four mouse clicks that I was talking about using the old Sonar 1 method to create a track with a VSTi. That's down to two clicks now using the synth rack in newer versions -- hardly something that would stop anyone from writing a great song.

In any case, if you don't appreciate the power of using Chainer or EnergyXT inside of Sonar -- or inside of Tracktion for that matter -- then you should think about giving it a try. You can do really cool stuff using the combination -- even if it takes some experimentation to figure it out.

[Beardedone]

Sonar 3 works, and you can do most things in it, but by the time you've done them, that moment of inspiration is usually a distant memory

I'm still more inspired when working in Sonar or Fruity or eXT than I am in Tracktion midi work is still too fussy and well awkward in T1.

[Lunch Money]

I'm ONLY inspired when working in Tracktion. I record a guitar part where one note comes in a bit late. Snip, shift, auto-crossfade, fixed. Nice.

Of course, it'll be even nicer when I can loop record and just keep going when I know I've hit a duff note.

That said, my only other significant experience has been with eXT (lovely, but the sequencer comp isn't for me) and Cakewalk Plasma Express 2003.

Greg

[Mr. Slater's Parrot]

I'm ONLY inspired when working in Tracktion. I record a guitar part where one note comes in a bit late. Snip, shift, auto-crossfade, fixed. Nice.

I'm sure inspiration is quite a personal thing. Handling slightly late notes, for example, is a pretty basic and simple feature for many hosts that I've used.

OTOH, I find it *way* too tedious to try to write midi parts in a host that has no ghost/linked clips capability. Yet, others don't seem to miss such a (crucial-to-me) feature at all. A lot what is considered to be "great workflow" is clearly in the eye of the beholder.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the midi improvements in T2 include the support of ghost/linked clips?

[Lunch Money]

I'm sure inspiration is quite a personal thing. Handling slightly late notes, for example, is a pretty basic and simple feature for many hosts that I've used.

Yeah, that was probably a bad example. Though auto-crossfade that's as quick and easy as T's isn't in every host.

How about--

Point my device at the track I want, drag a filter into place (no menus to navigate), and press "record". Bam, sorted.

Greg

[Mr. Slater's Parrot]

How about--

Point my device at the track I want, drag a filter into place (no menus to navigate), and press "record". Bam, sorted.

Personally, I don't have any problem with pulldown/popup menus. In fact, I generally like them! (That could be because I've been using them in various software systems since the 1970's, though. )

But, there do seem to be some folks who really dislike pulldown/popup menus. And for those, I think you are right, Tracktion's methods are well-suited.

[glurgle]

I agree on the ghosted clips part. Which is why for pretty much any given song, I've got an instance of energyXT with a sequencer running all synths. I'll be interested in the piano roll in T2, but with my current $$ situation (and the way eXT is being developed ) I'm waiting until the demo before I decide. It may be that I just wait a few months and if I want it then, I'll get it.

[P.T.]

Ghosted clips, Mix snapshots, reliable render, soloing of grouped tracks, midi looping without dropped notes, folder tracks, project templates...

[paladium]

Cubase , what is/was wrong with it

I've been working with sequencer software
from the mid 80's onwards and have gone through a lot of programs since the, first was atari with an infamous
sequencer called MACS ,together with a ppg waveterm
sequencer , then bought cubase when it was hitting atari, mind you cubase on atari was great and reasonably stable. Somehow on PC cubase never has
felt right, and as versions progressed it got worse.

So i bumped into Tracktion and bought it straigt away,
no featureset that clutters your workflow.
T2 for me will have 2 important additions, midi clock
for slaving another sequencer wich has functions
that tracktion (or any major pc sequencer for that matter )misses, and of course the updated midi-editing+ controller setup.

It's a pity that T2 doesn't include a revamped
Timestretch wich is akward considering that its foremost marketed as an audiosequencer (didn't they
get a licencse deal for the algorithms? , to difficult to program own algorithms, who knows)

I personally think that Mackie/Jules are aware
of T2 missing out on quality timstretch, and are trying to derrail attention by putting the linplug
and other plugin stuff in.

Would tracktion's V2 been looking any different
without Mackie's involvement , and would Jules's
priorities to adress some of V1 's shortcomings
been different?, possibly yes in my opinion.

paladium

[Lunch Money]

"possibly yes in my opinion" is one of those statements that nobody in the world could ever argue with. FWIW, I don't think there would have been many differences.

I also agree that Mackie and RMS must be aware of the lack of quality timestretch. But I'd rather get T2 now and wait for timestretch in 2.1 or 2.5 if that's what it takes. The feature set is enough for me to justify the upgrade price, and I can't do another day without looped recording mode. Last night I can't count how many times I had to reach over and press "abort and restart" just because it was easier than dealing with 20 different takes the way it currently is.

I hope they license a timestretch, too-- it'll take the workload off Jules and increase the likelihood of its being included.