How many NFR users are now getting T2?

[IIRs]

I do come from a traditional hardware background (years of mixing live bands anyway).

Thats why I hate seeing a picture of a mixer on the screen that I can't touch except via my mouse!

If I have to use a mouse to mix I want every parameter I will ever need available with the smallest number of mouse clicks.. and if we're using a DAW already, why not make it really easy to (eg) swap the order of a compressor and an eq?

Onions are a bitch, no?

Oy, I like onions!

[dealwithit]

...why not make it really easy to (eg) swap the order of a compressor and an eq?

Onions are a bitch, no?

Oy, I like onions!

I like onions myself.
I love the graphical display of the signal flow in T, that's not my point. I'm not even against the display of volume/pan information where it currently resides. It just makes more sense to me lay it out like a traditional hardware mixer.

That's just my onion.

[djsubject]

well a freand of mine sent me the demo of T1 on msn & asked me to check it out 4 him (lazy barsted )

within 1hr of testing i told him to stop wot ever he was doing & use this "thing" he had sent me!

by that night i had come across a few plugin lock up problems & was led to the kvr forum from the mackie site where i found the link to the nfr

T2 seems as if it will have everything i need & if the demo is stable then yes i will gladly buy

[larsby]

We'll ya all.

I've been a Buzz user for many many years.
But while starting to record with a few friends of mine, we something Buzz could not provide.
So we used GarageBand.

I got the NFR, and I played with it some more, found out that I really like it, but missed good note editing (being a Buzz user and all, I'm used to the tracker editing) and I really miss the availability to use my hardware knobs at the parameters.

This is all fixed in T2, which I would have pre-orderd if there was an option to do it. I was really hoping for groundhog day (since thats 3 days before my birthday and I know what I would have gotten me)

And on a side note, my friends are all turning their backs on GB, GB2 might prove somewhat useful, but its not cross-platform.

To come to a point in my ramblings, I will get T2, I would have with or without the NFR. and ohh, I lo-ho-ho-ho-ve tracktion.

[johnsholme]

efinitely be gettin' me some T2.. cuz i LOVES me some T1. REALLY REALLY loves!!!
Went to do a jazz trio recording (where i played bass and ran the laptop too...) and Sonar kept crashing and i STILL don't know why...(i only use it for midi stuff anyway, so ANYWYA) ... so i went to my trusty swiss army knife program, and BABOOM, wouldn't you know? T1 outperformed it (like a mofo) AND gave me/us much better sound quality. Just three mics on the drums, best damn jazz drum sound i've ever recorded... and all of us agreed: in order of sound quality it went Tracktion, Samplitude, Sonar, in that order... sonar being the EZ last choice, cuz it sounds SO colored. Just happened, had to share... still can't wait, WHEN???????????????????

[djsubject]

in order of sound quality it went Tracktion, Samplitude, Sonar, in that order... sonar being the EZ last choice,

wow thats a big statment


jules if this statment putting tracktion above samplitude in the sound quality department dosent make your day then.......well ditch tracktion & just work on juce

[MT]

I've been tracking between the Samp8 demo and Tracktion, and so far, I think Samp sounds much better, which is a real problem for me, because having newly discovered Tracktion, I really want Tracktion to work out. Plus, I have Samp8 on order and I'd like to save the money.

I'm tracking just acostic guitar through a Bluebird mic running into a UA 6176 into a LyxnTWO A soundcard, which is a pretty serious signal path.

I'm recording in both apps at 88.2/32-bit.

What I'm finding is that Samplitude records the signal a bit louder (I've got Tracktion set to 0db and I'm pretty sure I've got it configured correctly). The acoustic is also much broader in the low's and the mid's/high's are great. Tracktion, on the other hand, is much more stripped in the low's, and the mid's and high's sound harsh and very digital. It's not bad, it's just not what I'm hearing from Samp.

I'd love to get advice from others about how to configure Tracktion better, if I'm missing something there, or any other suggestions on things to try. I'm not ready to make a decision, but considering how awesome the layout of Tracktion is, I'd like to make it my app of choice.

Samplitude may be coloring things, but it's coloring in a good way - like UA's gear, etc.

MT

PS - I should also add that when I import the file recorded in Tracktion into Samp8, it sounds better there - almost identical to what I'm getting recording in Samp8.

So, maybe it's more about the way Tracktion plays the audio? Maybe the new 64-bit thing will clear this up?

[IIRs]

I've been tracking between the Samp8 demo and Tracktion, and so far, I think Samp sounds much better, which is a real problem for me, because having newly discovered Tracktion, I really want Tracktion to work out. Plus, I have Samp8 on order and I'd like to save the money.

I'm tracking just acostic guitar through a Bluebird mic running into a UA 6176 into a LyxnTWO A soundcard, which is a pretty serious signal path.

I'm recording in both apps at 88.2/32-bit.

What I'm finding is that Samplitude records the signal a bit louder (I've got Tracktion set to 0db and I'm pretty sure I've got it configured correctly). The acoustic is also much broader in the low's and the mid's/high's are great. Tracktion, on the other hand, is much more stripped in the low's, and the mid's and high's sound harsh and very digital. It's not bad, it's just not what I'm hearing from Samp.

I'd love to get advice from others about how to configure Tracktion better, if I'm missing something there, or any other suggestions on things to try. I'm not ready to make a decision, but considering how awesome the layout of Tracktion is, I'd like to make it my app of choice.

Samplitude may be coloring things, but it's coloring in a good way - like UA's gear, etc.

MT

PS - I should also add that when I import the file recorded in Tracktion into Samp8, it sounds better there - almost identical to what I'm getting recording in Samp8.

So, maybe it's more about the way Tracktion plays the audio? Maybe the new 64-bit thing will clear this up?

Are you dithering Tracktion's output? (settings page -> select the output -> "dithering enabled")

Alternatvely, if you have a good third party dither plug try dropping that into the mix buss with suitable settings. (make sure the master fader is at unity: if you need to change the gain, add another vol / pan filter before the dither)

This "hosts have different sounds" issue has come up before: personally I'm not convinced.. adding up is adding up after all, its either right or wrong.

I could easily believe however, that people are hearing the difference between a host that dithers by default, and one that truncates unless told otherwise.. or even that people are hearing the differences between dither algos.

My suggested test would be to make identical recordings and mixes in both hosts, and export them both at 32-bit without dither, to be compared in your audio editor (do the invert / sum test if you want to be scientific).

[MT]

Are you dithering Tracktion's output? (settings page -> select the output -> "dithering enabled")

Alternatvely, if you have a good third party dither plug try dropping that into the mix buss with suitable settings. (make sure the master fader is at unity: if you need to change the gain, add another vol / pan filter before the dither)

This "hosts have different sounds" issue has come up before: personally I'm not convinced.. adding up is adding up after all, its either right or wrong. :shrug:

I could easily believe however, that people are hearing the difference between a host that dithers by default, and one that truncates unless told otherwise.. or even that people are hearing the differences between dither algos.

My suggested test would be to make identical recordings and mixes in both hosts, and export them both at 32-bit without dither, to be compared in your audio editor (do the invert / sum test if you want to be scientific).

I don't think I'm dithering, but I'll certainly look there first.

Sounds like a good next step, so I'll give this a try tonight. I'm hoping to avoid the "my app's better" syndrome, so thanks for the solid input. I simply want to use what sounds the best, although Tracktion has the best layout I've ever worked with. It's amazing.

Also, I mix out of the box into a summing mixer, so the whole summing thing isn't that crucial to me at this point.

MT

[pHz]

PS - I should also add that when I import the file recorded in Tracktion into Samp8, it sounds better there - almost identical to what I'm getting recording in Samp8.
So, maybe it's more about the way Tracktion plays the audio? Maybe the new 64-bit thing will clear this up?

hi MT ...

... i think this sums up what i was trying to say via the mackie forum better than i managed ...

slainte rob

[MT]

Still, Rob, I appreciate the advice. I just want to make Tracktion work for me.

MT

[pHz]

Still, Rob, I appreciate the advice. I just want to make Tracktion work for me.
MT

hey ... advice freely given to anyone wholl listen (i have no real affiliation beyond personal preference either way TBH) ...

... im sure youll make the choice thats right for you ...

slainte rob

[MT]

I did two tests tonight:

1) CD recording into Samp8 demo & Tracktion
2) Acoustic gtr into both apps

The only thing I changed in the Tracktion setup was that I assigned the outs of the tracks to different channels, which I hoped avoided allowing Tracktion to sum everything.

With the first test, I recorded into both apps ("Mirrorball" by ETBG - an airy tune with great dynamics). Then, I imported each app's files into the other respective app and panned one left, one right. Then I mixed that combo out of the box into my CD-RW2000. I closed the disc to listen on a normal CD player with pan control. Honestly, with the CD recording, the channels were damn near identical when fed by both apps. I was thrilled.

So, I decided to redo the acoustic test. I took the same approach, except this time I was super careful to record at the same angle and distance from the mic both times. I imported and panned the results.

What I found is that the level in Samp8 seems a tiny bit hotter, but that they basically have the same character, and that the acoustic sounded the same in both.

So, I figure it may have something to do with the summing, which since I mix out of the box into a summing mixer, allows me to not be worried about the summing.

I should say that I don't have golden ears - I've been learning for years what to listen for, and it will take me years more to get anywhere decent with that process.

I really wanted to go with Tracktion due to the superb layout, and I'm now licensed and happy about T1, and looking forward to making music with it.

Never is the excellence of the T1 layout more obvious than when you use another app along side of it. Samplitude is not known for being an easy app to grasp, and getting around the demo was a pain (even with a lot of Samplitude 7 in my background). It also didn't help that the Samplitude demo has a few bugs in it. But, I don't mean to bash that app - it's amazing in its own right, and I've had it on order since October 16th (which was fine, because I was able to cancel it).

Makes it pretty obvious that a lot of snob appeal drives many of the other recording options out there when you're looking for the basic tracking/MIDI type application. If Tracktion cost a grand, it would easily get more notoriety. I understand the guys who need post stuff and some of the other features Tracktion doesn't have, but Tracktion is the perfect app for those who approach things as if you were going to tape.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded post - just excited about the outcome and glad I finally found the perfect recording application.

MT

[IIRs]

[Lunch Money]

Tracktion is the perfect app for those who approach things as if you were going to tape.

Speaking of long-winded, I have written what... 3,500 posts, a decent chunk of which were devoted to host debates and/or explanations about why I think Tracktion is so superb.

And that statement really just says it all. Even when I do MIDI, I approach it as if I'm going to tape, but I get the added bonus of being able to delete duff notes and so forth.

To go back in time...

Greg