Bitwig 2.0

[sagetone]

Throwing my two cents into this discussion... well... more like 6 cents...

1. I'm a BWS fanboy, never had a DAW that was this inspiring to work with, the workflow is excellent, for my style.
2. Bitwig as a company is still really new, and they've got a very crowded market to wiggle their way into and to get a real slice of the pie.
3. New features as already described in this thread, are great! No end to the modulation you can do with BWS, internal and external. Plays really nice with modular synths!
4. BWS 2 pricing is not a subscription. It's a purchase. You buy 2.x and get all updates/upgrades for 12 months, even if it goes into 3.x. You don't HAVE to pay any more after 12 months unless you want/need to. I hear those who doubt that will happen, and are soured by the slow fixing of bugs in 1.x and thus think we'll only be at 3.1.10 or so by the end of the 12 months.
5. About that price, $169 for the upgrade? I paid $299 1.5 yrs ago, have very much gotten my money's worth with BWS. I personally want to support these guys because I want Bitwig to not just survive, but to thrive. If you're pissed about the new pricing/license model, then you're probably not very dedicated to this DAW. I am, and I want for these to be around in 10 years. All that said, I DO agree that $169 is a little steep.
6. All in all, I think this is a great update. I do agree with what several have written, though, that the "marketing" or PR behind the licensing model and the way it's been communicated was not very well thought out. Perhaps it should have been worded, "$X gets you version 2.x and, by the way, anything beyond that if we hit it in the next 12 months"?

[mosska]

So , will there be something like GROOVE POOL? What about groove extracting?

[Coockie1176ln]

So , will there be something like GROOVE POOL? What about groove extracting?

+1

[sonson5]

So , will there be something like GROOVE POOL? What about groove extracting?

I just wish someone can answer this question as it's my top 1 feature keeping me away from switching fully to bitwig.

I asked it twice to ppl who supposedly participated in the alpha phase but no one really happened to answer.

Let's wait and see I guess..

[meowlicious]

I bought bitwig on dec 4th

[linkstate]

it would have been the far better option to make the license model depending on release numbers (similar to renoise), buying the release 1.3.x gives u granted update til 2.3.x asf...

I have no problem with the current model but I'd prefer that one too.

as far as i understood them and dom here now, its almost the same anyway. we pay the stealth-sub, but get all updates within one year no matter which or how high the release-number is. heavily depending on what they release then. could be only bugfixes until e.g. 2.3.15 or so (just to resume our experience so far. no offense^^), could be a major update. if there wouldnt be the word "almost"^^.

with other words: buying development time formerly known as kickstarter. or am i totally wrong?

well. at least i dont think bitwig is goin to screw people up, like many posts here intend to claim. thats the least thing theyll do, unless they went totally crazy haha.

Kickstarter way is great, but you kniw what you get for your money...

[timc3]

I was looking forward to the 2.0 update but like others in here I am not so sure, and mainly that’s because of the relaxed attitude to bug fixes and the new pricing schema.

It’s now going to work in terms which matches that of enterprise software with a price upfront which includes 1 year of support and maintenance and then after that you go on a support and maintenance contract which includes new feature releases. Except with enterprise software the average contract is about 20% of the initial price, not the 42% or so that Bitwig is going to charge which seems excessive.

And for those who keep saying that you own the software - you don’t actually own it, you purchase a license which gives you the right to use it.

Personally I prefer paying up front, and then when a feature upgrade comes out I have the chance to pay for that upgrade. But I still get bug fixes if they are needed to the older version. I only use one set of products that I pay monthly for, because I use them daily, and prefer to pay up front.

[garyboozy]

So , will there be something like GROOVE POOL? What about groove extracting?

I just wish someone can answer this question as it's my top 1 feature keeping me away from switching fully to bitwig.

there's no groove pool nor groove extraction.

[FantasticDUDE]

I bought bitwig on dec 4th

What a luck!

[mosska]

So , will there be something like GROOVE POOL? What about groove extracting?

I just wish someone can answer this question as it's my top 1 feature keeping me away from switching fully to bitwig.

there's no groove pool nor groove extraction.

"Great". Something tells me it's going to be implemented not earlier then hmmm say..march of 2018... and will be the part of the so called minor upgrade for which I'll have to pay another 159euro.

[meowlicious]

I bought bitwig on dec 4th

What a luck!

I bought my first daw bitwig for $199 for their thanksgiving sale. Now I have to pay $169 for the upgrade so i am paying $368 for 2.0 version( as opposed to $299) . So how exactly is this a "sale" when I am actually having to pay more money. Nice thanks they gave for thanksgiving

I don't mind paying but I feel this company is dishonest and slimy and doesn't deserve my money.

[Coockie1176ln]

I bought bitwig on dec 4th

What a luck!

I bought my first daw bitwig for $199 for their thanksgiving sale. Now I have to pay $169 for the upgrade so i am paying $368 for 2.0 version( as opposed to $299) . So how exactly is this a "sale" when I am actually having to pay more money. Nice thanks they gave for thanksgiving

I don't mind paying but I feel this company is dishonest and slimy and doesn't deserve my money.

wow that sucks big

[forestrip]

if the company Bitwig does not listen to the users and does not change the licensing policy - the company is waiting for a grand luck as company Steinberg ,where each user pays per year to be a beta tester

Only recently, I was waiting for a new version of Bitwig and would like to purchase a license
but now I have to look for another DAW

fu**n marketing and subscription

[Kubase]

I am, and I want for these to be around in 10 years.

And that will cost you $ 1820.

[ezelkow1]

After your 12 months is over you can keep the software and still use it.

With same bugs! When i buying a car with errors i get implied warranty in germany. So trouble but at the end i get a 100% functional car. .. yes i know, not really the same boat but hey, not user friendly!

I don't think bugs will last for 12 months. The only bugs that could come up are generally related to latest features. If (for example) 2.3.3 introduced new features and bugs and your 12 months period is over, just use the latest stable version, like 2.3.1.

So do you get a refund on part of your subscription for the time they spent between 2.3.1 and 2.3.3? Since they left you with a buggy mess you cant get fixed or use unless you shell out more, that time on your subscription was effectively wasted if you have to revert to a non-buggy version.

We are now basically paying bitwig as crowd sourced contractors to build a DAW for us, except that we have no say in features or timelines, yet we are still paying them by the hour. Its all the benefits of a contracting gig without any of the downsides, they have no required timelines from their employer, no required features to be implemented, and no recourse if something is not delivered