When can we stop making 32-bit plugins?

[braj]

4GB of RAM is more than enough for the majority of EDM style tracks. I only see the need to use a 64-bit DAW and plugins when doing orchestral stuff.

So using a 32-bit DAW gives you the best of both new and old VSTs, without any compromise on stability.

But not everyone does EDM tracks. Jazz stuff with my Trillian upright bass before I went 64 bit forced me to use the lite version, for example, and that was with a reduced piano sample set as well. Just a few quality multisampled instuments in any genre outside EDM will use up that 4GB. That is a compromise I don't like. Then you get crashes and freezes in production, maybe even losing data.

[highkoo]

I think everyone imagines they are the overwhelmingly dominant kind of user.
Truth is that there is a significant percentage of customers who will benefit from x64, and significant percentage that will not.

[aciddose]

Note that the poll shows only 17 (8%) users voted who are dependent upon 32-bit hardware.

45 (22%) appear to have 64-bit hardware but still use either some 32-bit plug-ins, a 32-bit host or are forced to due to their host lacking reliable bridging support. In this case these users are stuck back because of a lack of support for some of their plug-ins: most of which are likely no longer supported at all. These users either need 1) new 64-bit plug-ins that can fully replace their obsolete 32-bit plug-ins (a significant opportunity for commercial devs), or 2) enough motivation to give up those plug-ins that are still holding them back.

142 (70%) do not use 32-bit plug-ins, hosts or hardware at all.

Not surprising: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation

[ghettosynth]

Note that the poll shows only 17 (8%) users voted who are dependent upon 32-bit hardware.

Exactly! Everyone who uses both will not be hampered by the absence of 32 bit plugins.

[layzer]

The 32 bit version is only to placate Luddites like Layzer..

call me whatever you like, scumbag. you can go FK your future self.

What's the matter Princess ? Someone giving you a taste of your own medicine ? Now you know how annoying you and your constant whining about "bloat" is to the rest of us.

nothings the matter, tinkerbell. just enjoying your constant stream of the usual BS.

You damn ding dongs, 32 bit and 64 bit are so barbaric, go plugin free and record all your parts onto multiple casette tapes, but limit yourself to only 16 tapes because beyond that is a waste of money. Once you have all your parts recorded, get yourself 16 Sony CFD-S50 casette players, the ones with the built-in speakers and send them into an empty 50 square feet wooden room. The room has to be made out of agar wood or else the acoustics wont sound right. Make sure you spread all the Sony CFD-S50 casette players in a circle, evenely spread out with the speakers pointing inwards. Make sure you have loaded your casette tapes into each Sony CFD-S50 casette player. Now mount any Hamilton casette recorder (the ones with the built-in microphones) to the middle of the ceiling with the microphone pointing downwards to the center of the room. Now heres the tricky part, you're going to need 16 buddies to help you out. It's going to be hard because you actually only really have 4 friends. So what you do is hire 7 other buddies on craigslist and get your dumbass brother-in-law (the one that always shows up to thanksgiving late and doesn't ever bring dessert because hes an ass) to help out. Now designate each buddy to a separate casette player and count down from 3 to 0. On zero, everyone will press the play button at the same exact time, and you will press the record button on the Hamilton casette player that is located on the ceiling. Once that is done, everyone has to run out of the room without tripping on any of the casette players and the last one out has to shut the door gently so it doesnt make any noise. Once the master tape is done recording, congradulations you have suceeded. You can now send that tape to your favorite aunt who lives in paris with her really weird boyfriend that you pretend to like. While you wait for your aunt to receive the casette tape, you can dwell on the poor choices in your life like using 32-bit plugins in 2017.

By the way, your aunt doesnt own a casette player.

Edit: the reason why you use agar wood to build your room is because its a very fibrous wood, it absorbs highs really well. It almost acts as a natural de-esser. Don't bellieve me? Go to your local home hardware store and start yelling at the different planks of woods. Pay close attention to the highs and esses and see how they affect it.

And some people still create pictures with brushes and paint in 2017. So whats your point?

[SeeingInMidi]

The 32 bit version is only to placate Luddites like Layzer..

call me whatever you like, scumbag. you can go FK your future self.

What's the matter Princess ? Someone giving you a taste of your own medicine ? Now you know how annoying you and your constant whining about "bloat" is to the rest of us.

nothings the matter, tinkerbell. just enjoying your constant stream of the usual BS.

You damn ding dongs, 32 bit and 64 bit are so barbaric, go plugin free and record all your parts onto multiple casette tapes, but limit yourself to only 16 tapes because beyond that is a waste of money. Once you have all your parts recorded, get yourself 16 Sony CFD-S50 casette players, the ones with the built-in speakers and send them into an empty 50 square feet wooden room. The room has to be made out of agar wood or else the acoustics wont sound right. Make sure you spread all the Sony CFD-S50 casette players in a circle, evenely spread out with the speakers pointing inwards. Make sure you have loaded your casette tapes into each Sony CFD-S50 casette player. Now mount any Hamilton casette recorder (the ones with the built-in microphones) to the middle of the ceiling with the microphone pointing downwards to the center of the room. Now heres the tricky part, you're going to need 16 buddies to help you out. It's going to be hard because you actually only really have 4 friends. So what you do is hire 7 other buddies on craigslist and get your dumbass brother-in-law (the one that always shows up to thanksgiving late and doesn't ever bring dessert because hes an ass) to help out. Now designate each buddy to a separate casette player and count down from 3 to 0. On zero, everyone will press the play button at the same exact time, and you will press the record button on the Hamilton casette player that is located on the ceiling. Once that is done, everyone has to run out of the room without tripping on any of the casette players and the last one out has to shut the door gently so it doesnt make any noise. Once the master tape is done recording, congradulations you have suceeded. You can now send that tape to your favorite aunt who lives in paris with her really weird boyfriend that you pretend to like. While you wait for your aunt to receive the casette tape, you can dwell on the poor choices in your life like using 32-bit plugins in 2017.

By the way, your aunt doesnt own a casette player.

Edit: the reason why you use agar wood to build your room is because its a very fibrous wood, it absorbs highs really well. It almost acts as a natural de-esser. Don't bellieve me? Go to your local home hardware store and start yelling at the different planks of woods. Pay close attention to the highs and esses and see how they affect it.

And some people still create pictures with brushes and paint in 2017. So whats your point?

Bad comparison, there are hundreds of companies producing brushes, paints and canvases because there's still a huge market for that.

edit: I mean, no one's really stopping you from using 32-bit plugins, just don't whine about it, especially when plugin manufacturers are heading to 64-bit exclusively.

[layzer]

Bad comparison, there are hundreds of companies producing brushes, paints and canvases because there's still a huge market for that.

edit: I mean, no one's really stopping you from using 32-bit plugins, just don't whine about it, especially when plugin manufacturers are heading to 64-bit exclusively.

no, its a dead on comparison. And no one CAN stop me from using anything. thats the beauty of living in the USA. Whining?, its called voicing an opinion no different than you voicing your opinion that 64bit is better. which is not because one tool is no better than another based on how new it is. creating something great really depends on skill of the tool user not the tool itself.

edit: everyone knows that, well everyone except you, Einstien .

edit edit: I still use a regular flip phone instead of a smart phone
I still drive a car with no onboard computer
and
I still use a manual can opener instead of a wifi enabled electric one.

*KISS*

[wagtunes]

Bad comparison, there are hundreds of companies producing brushes, paints and canvases because there's still a huge market for that.

edit: I mean, no one's really stopping you from using 32-bit plugins, just don't whine about it, especially when plugin manufacturers are heading to 64-bit exclusively.

no, its a dead on comparison. And no one CAN stop me from using anything. thats the beauty of living in the USA. Whining?, its called voicing an opinion no different than you voicing your opinion that 64bit is better. which is not because one tool is no better than another based on how new it is. creating something great really depends on skill of the tool user not the tool itself.

edit: everyone knows that, well everyone except you, Einstien .

Nobody is denying that. Doesn't matter what tool you use. If you have no talent, it's still going to sound like crap.

However, and this is where having inferior tools (yes, there are inferior tools) if you're creating an orchestral score and you need to play it for somebody who is going to determine whether or not it's going to be used for a movie or whatever, you have a much better chance of succeeding by using a superior quality orchestral library. You're not getting that on a 32 bit machine. That's a fact. So yes, in certain cases, your work is going to suffer if you use 32 bit. Nobody has yet to create a convincing orchestral library that runs in 32 bit. Hell, some 64 bit libraries aren't all that great.

But in most cases, yes, 32 bit is going to be good enough to get you to where you want to go.

As long as that person understands that at some point in time, they're only going to be able to use the software that they currently have because 32 bit software will no longer be made. Doesn't mean you can't still make music. Just means you're done getting new stuff.

If you're cool with that, great. Some of us are not cool with that and have decided not to limit our options.

What I have a problem with is people using 32 bit exclusively calling 64 bit bloatware, garbage, unnecessary and so on. You're being just as insulting as those dismissing 32 bit.

Personally, I don't give a crap what anybody uses. I will use what I need to use to get the job done that I need to get done and that is ALL I care about.

The rest of you guys can knock yourselves out silly with this stupid 32 bit vs 64 bit snob fest war.

It's pretty childish if you ask me.

[A_SN]

no, its a dead on comparison

No he's right, making 32-bit plugins is soon going to be like releasing movies on VHS, no one does it anymore because it's a dead market and technology, and it doesn't matter how many people hoard up old tapes, it's still dead and they're technonecrophiles, if you'll pardon my Greek . By contrast paint isn't dead at all, never was, never will be.

By the way my VHS analogy isn't even good, VHS has charms over later technologies due to all its quirks. 32-bit literally has nothing over 64-bit, you can't tell the difference, only your host can.

[layzer]

Personally, I don't give a crap what anybody uses. I will use what I need to use to get the job done that I need to get done and that is ALL I care about.

thanks, Wags we are in agreement on that

[layzer]

32-bit literally has nothing over 64-bit, you can't tell the difference, only your host can.

this is true. and both have clairity over 8bit audio.
but there virtually no difference in clairity between 64 and 32 bit however,
so in the case of my daw, i chose to leave it as is. WinXP SP3 x32 running EnergyXT2
i love its speed and workflow. for what i do, the ram i have in it, 4gb
(only 3gb actually used) has never given me any memory issues.
therefore if it ain't broke...... never warranted the switch to 64bit.
i know i will have to pass up alot of new plugins, but when i listen
or watch sound demos i think. well it looks nice but i can make those
sounds with what i have already. (just slap sausage fattener on the output)

i love technology, not a luddite or whatever i was labled
but you will never sell me on a wifi enabled can opener.

[Jafo]

My $0.02 (more like $0.000002, alas ) is that there are still too many vital x32-only plugins to switch fully to x64. Life without MultiLens, Mr. Tramp, Ferric TDS and other gems? Not for me.

Then again, a really good (and preferably free!) VST bit bridge would solve everybody's problem. JBridge seems OK, but I've heard that it doesn't work on/for everything.

[raintalk]

Install writers:
Please stop automatically installing 32-bit versions of plugins
And quit trying to install so some default "Steinberg\vstplugins" directory

[ghettosynth]

My $0.02 (more like $0.000002, alas ) is that there are still too many vital x32-only plugins to switch fully to x64. Life without MultiLens, Mr. Tramp, Ferric TDS and other gems? Not for me.

Then again, a really good (and preferably free!) VST bit bridge would solve everybody's problem. JBridge seems OK, but I've heard that it doesn't work on/for everything.

What does that have to do with devs making new 32 bit plugins?

[SeeingInMidi]

Bad comparison, there are hundreds of companies producing brushes, paints and canvases because there's still a huge market for that.

edit: I mean, no one's really stopping you from using 32-bit plugins, just don't whine about it, especially when plugin manufacturers are heading to 64-bit exclusively.

no, its a dead on comparison. And no one CAN stop me from using anything. thats the beauty of living in the USA. Whining?, its called voicing an opinion no different than you voicing your opinion that 64bit is better. which is not because one tool is no better than another based on how new it is. creating something great really depends on skill of the tool user not the tool itself.

edit: everyone knows that, well everyone except you, Einstien .

edit edit: I still use a regular flip phone instead of a smart phone
I still drive a car with no onboard computer
and
I still use a manual can opener instead of a wifi enabled electric one.

*KISS*

Yeap, you somehow 100% missed the point.