If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[EnGee]

btw. the secondary DAW voting also was interesting
https://sleepfreaks-dtm.com/en/dtm-mate ... w-ranking/ (in Japan) S1 mastering capabilities seems a needed feature, anyway seems 'creative' DAW + Cubase/S1 is the preferred, I also would choose that combo

Interesting! In that case I have several combos between Live,Bitwig and Cubase,S1. The friendliest combo might be Bitwig/S1. Bitwig can be an excellent choice for starting the ideas, then finishing them with the better arrangement and mixing in S1. If I only can open the two DAWs and drag and drop between them

[xbitz]

^^^ I would also choose Bitwig/S1, Faderport8 has excellent support under both DAWs, S1 what a surprise yepp ...
Bitwig

(copied with timecode) but from 10:15 (AL also has but I wouldn't choose a DAW without mixer view which is so similar to Bitwig which has)

ps. and color set of Cubase which has been nicked by Antic looks awesome (hope he won't be arrested )

viewtopic.php?p=8329974#p8329974 thx again, as a bonus ... oops there is a fanboi here

[EnGee]

Bitwig should borrow some features from Cubase/S1 if they want to be ahead of Live. Things that still missing in Bitwig but exist in S1:
1. Drums mappings
2. Midi files/patterns review
3.Good markers implementation
4. flexible mixer view (can't resize)

While in S1 still missing the midi tools and modulators. The Grid also is important part in Bitwig that has no equal in S1.

Anyway, I would choose S1/Cubase over Bitwig/Live because I mostly rehearsing before recording (midi/audio) then editing if required. So actually, S1/Cubase is for the music recording while Bitwig/Live are for playing around with new ideas and experimenting. Although to be honest, I can be creative in S1/Cubase but all these creative midi tools make Bitwig/Live a big fun

[machinesworking]

I do Love Bitwig, it's a great DAW, but I personally have been moving back towards Live for a couple reasons. First off comping, it's cool the new innovative ways Bitwig is thinking about comping, that frankly have nothing to do with the problem comping was made to solve, but Ableton doing MIDI comping is just better for what I use comping for. Secondly Jitter, and the already flourishing Max 4 Live community. Now that laptops are fast enough, M4L and Jitter become a real solution, I get SysEx dumps in Live, which store my hardware patches directly in the song they're used in. Basically Ableton are still ahead of Bitwig in terms of what we know of either companies stated goals. We haven't seen online collaboration tools, and we still are not exposed to the guts of Bitwig in terms of MIDI in the Grid. Not saying Live doesn't have it's faults, I maxed out the control surface limit of 6 with two or three controllers sitting there unattached. I like the way Bitwigs browser works etc.

Anyway, there's other reasons, but both are great, it's just that Live is a little more of a known element here, and it's time to choose, just like I don't see Live adding the insane modular capabilities of Bitwig, I don't see Bitwig adding Jitter, and SysEx is a total lost cause IMO. They have a stated goal in mind, to be the best electronic music oriented DAW, it's a lot more focused than Live, but that focus is where it loses features I want or need.

[pdxindy]

I do Love Bitwig, it's a great DAW, but I personally have been moving back towards Live for a couple reasons. First off comping, it's cool the new innovative ways Bitwig is thinking about comping, that frankly have nothing to do with the problem comping was made to solve,...

Bitwig can do Comping in the Clip Launcher. I do audio comping more there than in Arrange. Live cannot comp in Session view and likely never will. Bitwig on the other hand will add midi comping soon enough.

[machinesworking]

Bitwig can do Comping in the Clip Launcher. I do audio comping more there than in Arrange. Live cannot comp in Session view and likely never will. Bitwig on the other hand will add midi comping soon enough.

It will also add MIDI in the Grid, collaboration features, video support, but it will never get Jitter, and probably never catch up to Max 4 Live in terms of the sheer library.

Of course it's true that Live may never get plug in sandboxing, Linux support, Bitwigs crazy modulation capabilities among other things.

The whole competition thing between DAWs, one thing I've realized from using a half dozen of them at length is they're all pretty amazing. They just all have different strengths. I went on a DAW search because Live and DP, the two DAWs I've used for years didn't have MPE support, they both do now, so I'm stuck with Logic, Bitwig and Reaper, and all three of them are just as good as DP and Live in many ways, better in many ways.

It's really Jitter, that and SysEx dumps into the song you're working on among other things that's drawing me back, but it's certainly no issue with Bitwig in the bigger picture.

[apoclypse]

I do Love Bitwig, it's a great DAW, but I personally have been moving back towards Live for a couple reasons. First off comping, it's cool the new innovative ways Bitwig is thinking about comping, that frankly have nothing to do with the problem comping was made to solve,...

Bitwig can do Comping in the Clip Launcher. I do audio comping more there than in Arrange. Live cannot comp in Session view and likely never will. Bitwig on the other hand will add midi comping soon enough.

Is there some kind of roadmap indicating that they will add midi comping soon? Is it ina beta or something?

[BONES]

What do you mean by "comping"? It could be short for composing or compressing or compositing. From context it seems like the latter but that still doesn't tell me what it does.

[machinesworking]

What do you mean by "comping"? It could be short for composing or compressing or compositing. From context it seems like the latter but that still doesn't tell me what it does.

You're on the money with Compositing. I would bet most of the time you're working in MIDI and audio files you've collected etc. For traditional instruments that you record directly into audio most of us don't have the year to make it perfect groups like Pink Floyd have, so multiple takes of the same track, comp parts of each take into a godd take.

In your DAW of choice:
https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/a ... ck-Comping

[wentzelitis]

i go back and forth between bitwig, studio one, and fl studio .

fl studio looks promising with recent updates and its next version, and has free updates for life..makes the idea "sticking with only one forever" very appealing.. however out of the 3 it's the most annoying to record audio by far. it has useful plugins, great sequencer, great piano roll... but a slow workflow with routing, duplicating effects, etc..not many shortcuts and the ones that exist aren't remappable

bitwig is the most fun and easy to use, it just makes sense.. but i rarely actually finish a track in it..and when i do, it's often less coherent or polished or "good" . super fun to play with . i have no major complaints other than i can't seem to be productive with it. i guess bitwig can be annoying with bugs/glitches sometimes..but no worse than studio one, and bitwig support has been faster to acknowledge and fix them in my experience.

studio one is almost as intuitive to use as bitwig, way more than fl studio, but still has some annoyances . however, i can accomplish most things i need with this one even if some tasks take an extra step over bitwig.. and i finish the most "good" songs in here. the whole visual and layout just makes me feel more productive, professional.. less goofing around and more getting stuff done. it also has some good native plugins..but being bought out by fender and the whole sphere sub thing in general is a slight uncertainty for its future


if i had to pick one TODAY, i would pick studio one. but pending fender's input, fl studio 21 release, and bitwig progressions that may all change

[EnGee]

I still don't use Comping, probability, scales and chords and MPE! I really have no need for them as I like to record what I play and I decide which idea to record before recording. I also hate generators (what the point?!). Finally, I don't have any hardware support MPE or poly aftertouch. Although, I might use it in the future because it has many advantages while playing.

I like and use however the "memory" to insert what I was playing but not recording, which most DAWs now have it. I also like "Detect Tempo". I used it once but I don't remember now which DAW was Is it Live 11? I have only 10. I need to search for it because it is very useful and sometimes better than tapping by clicking the mouse. Still, not that crucial as I can use my Korg metronome or my phone.

[machinesworking]

studio one is almost as intuitive to use as bitwig, way more than fl studio, but still has some annoyances . however, i can accomplish most things i need with this one even if some tasks take an extra step over bitwig.. and i finish the most "good" songs in here. the whole visual and layout just makes me feel more productive, professional.. less goofing around and more getting stuff done.

That's the gist of it. I'll be flat out honest here, for me Live, Bitwig, Reason, and probably FL Studio if I used it are great classic pattern based sequencers. So that sort of song comes naturally and it's dammed quick to get something going in those DAWs, but they're not fun to finish songs in for me anyway. So mixing, weird little breaks, surgical MIDI parts, all that is easier and more productive in Digital Performer here. If DP went under it would be Studio One, Reaper, Logic or Cubase probably for me as an old school DAW. In no way am I trying to knock the more block of data approach that comes with grid and pattern based sequencing, I love it, but as soon as a song gets any sort of progressive rock, classical, or jazz level of complexity to it, it's just easier in DAWs with odd crazy features like "select second quarter note in measures 126 to 150". And with multiple automation types.

[BONES]

So comping is more like non-linear editing, then, not actual compositing. Just a formalised way of doing what I've been doing for the last 20 years with my vocal recordings and I see little or no advantage in it. I tell ya what, though - Studio One version 2 looked lovely and streamlined in that video. Very slick.

[EnGee]

To answer my question, it is Cubase! Amazing! (Regarding the Tempo Detection):

Cubase tempo detection.png

Ok, I'm out of this thread

[melomood]

Live