The long DIVA thread

[hakey]

though I wouldn't care about it being on the detune since my normal behaviour there is to make small adjustments rather than defined steps.

Ah, but if you wanted something at about a fifth interval you would first have to click/drag the knob to -5 and then make whatever small adjustments you wanted. Double clicking on -5 would get you there quicker.

EDIT: I might even prefer it to take me as close as possible to the nearest perfect interval; so +702 cents when clicking on -5. And would it need to be a double click; might a single click suffice?

[PAK]

Ah, but if you wanted something at about a fifth interval you would first have to click/drag the knob to -5 and then make whatever small adjustments you wanted. Double clicking on -5 would get you there quicker.

True But!.. it wouldn't always result in a perfect fifth since it can also be influenced in the voice trimmers etc. Thus some people would complain that it doesn't set the right pitch until they realized there's actually more than one place which influences it! That'd maybe be one argument for keeping it "more manual".

The other is that, if you also implemented it on the range and shape buttons (which I would like ) it'd mean the space between them and the detune leaves little room for clicking errors on the standard GUI size. So it'd probably result in people clicking the wrong one a lot, making it slightly frustrating sometimes, rather than a speed boost

And would it need to be a double click; might a single click suffice?

It would, the double click would just help prevent "accidental" activation.

[hakey]

Ah, but if you wanted something at about a fifth interval you would first have to click/drag the knob to -5 and then make whatever small adjustments you wanted. Double clicking on -5 would get you there quicker.

True But!.. it wouldn't always result in a perfect fifth since it can also be influenced in the voice trimmers etc.

I know, which is why I very deliberately said 'about a fifth' (-5 is +700 cents which isn't a perfect fifth anyway, and other intervals are much further away from the nearest 100 cents).

My real argument is that arriving at a point (any point) by double clicking around a knob would be quicker than click/dragging, and once approximately close to where you want to be you can then click/drag to taste.

[PAK]

My real argument is that arriving at a point (any point) by double clicking around a knob would be quicker than click/dragging, and once approximately close to where you want to be you can then click/drag to taste.

Yes, I totally agree. Would be nice to see at some point

[Igro]

I don't have any of U-he plugin so far. This now might be the first! Sounds nothing like I heard before from other VA's.

Just have one question: will there be a phase retrigger or you want it to be as maximum 'analog' as possible?
And another: can the phase shift in oscillators be controlled(0-180 Degree)?(sure this question depends from the first one)

[Urs]

Just have one question: will there be a phase retrigger or you want it to be as maximum 'analog' as possible?
And another: can the phase shift in oscillators be controlled(0-180 Degree)?

Honestly, we don't know yet. Clemens is working on a new implementation of some stuff, in order to improve the initial oscillator behaviour. This however might mean that we can't "foresee" the phase of an oscillator, depending on frequency and modulations. This would possibly make the reset to a certain phase very cpu expensive.

We do have ideas for a digital oscillator with phase reset though, but can't yet say for sure if and when.

Urs

[News From The Sky]

Ah, but if you wanted something at about a fifth interval you would first have to click/drag the knob to -5 and then make whatever small adjustments you wanted. Double clicking on -5 would get you there quicker.

True But!.. it wouldn't always result in a perfect fifth since it can also be influenced in the voice trimmers etc.

I know, which is why I very deliberately said 'about a fifth' (-5 is +700 cents which isn't a perfect fifth anyway, and other intervals are much further away from the nearest 100 cents).

My real argument is that arriving at a point (any point) by double clicking around a knob would be quicker than click/dragging, and once approximately close to where you want to be you can then click/drag to taste.

Convenient, but this kind of precision wouldn't sound very analog. I mean, part of the reason vintage analog sounds the way it does is because you can't consistently hit the exact "correct" values, at least not with any consistency, right?

[Igro]

Thanks Urs.

Also i didn't read the whole thread, so sorry if this issue have already mentioned:
With the digital volume envelopes the sound sounds constantly with every parameter set to zero. Possibly sustain still passes the sound even with the zero amount. Pressing the little red button "C" can reduce this effect by twice, but issue is still there.

[hakey]

Convenient, but this kind of precision wouldn't sound very analog.

It's got nothing to do with precision- it's about moving the knob more quickly to approximately where you want it.

The bit about perfect intervals was an aside. Please ignore it!

My point about the waveform knob was slightly different and *was* about precision - precisely choosing the pure waveforms.

[rockin1]

Convenient, but this kind of precision wouldn't sound very analog.

It's got nothing to do with precision- it's about moving the knob more quickly to approximately where you want it.

The bit about perfect intervals was an aside. Please ignore it!

My point about the waveform knob was slightly different and *was* about precision - precisely choosing the pure waveforms.

Having the option double click and let the knob jump does not mean you have to use it. If you prefer the imprecision of turning the knob manually you would not be prevented from doing that. In any case, this only affects knob position and not the sound generated by the knob position so it would have zero effect on how analog anything sounds...

[xh3rv]

Are people using the mousewheel much for the knob tweaking? It could be worth it to dig into mouse input preferences to tweak the scrolling / mousewheel behavior - the default on my system has acceleration which makes it a bit too jumpy to use for most VST stuff.

I'm really liking the click -> fine-tune + mousewheel -> bigger jumps on tuning knobs! I wouldn't mind if every knob worked that way.

Random feature request: Could the stars next to favorited patches in the browser be colored according to the LED color? [e: Not that it'd be actually useful, but maybe a useful distraction? ]

[hakey]

Another suggestion: allow swapping the order of effects and their settings.

So Effect 1 = Delay, Effect 2 = Phaser would become Effect 1 = Phaser, Effect 2 Delay and the settings, eg, for the delay would be the same in effect 1 and 2.

[News From The Sky]

Convenient, but this kind of precision wouldn't sound very analog.

It's got nothing to do with precision- it's about moving the knob more quickly to approximately where you want it.

The bit about perfect intervals was an aside. Please ignore it!

My point about the waveform knob was slightly different and *was* about precision - precisely choosing the pure waveforms.

Having the option double click and let the knob jump does not mean you have to use it. If you prefer the imprecision of turning the knob manually you would not be prevented from doing that. In any case, this only affects knob position and not the sound generated by the knob position so it would have zero effect on how analog anything sounds...

Relax, guys, I was kidding.

(Knob position itself *would* affect the sound, so being able to choose a perfect sawtooth would be something you couldn't do (consistently) on an actual analog knob, which would nearly always be slightly "off" - and part of the analog magic everyone natters on about is just down to things always being slightly messy. I'm sure some analog purist would actually argue against this feature. But I don't think convenience is a bad thing or that analog can't be improved on. )

[rockin1]

Sorry, my sense of humor must have momentarily escaped me...

[lofty]

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