Ableton Live 11

[Greenstorm33]

Judging by the previous release they're about 2.5 years early for a new major version. That's a pretty large change in release cadence. I'll buy it when they add ARA or the ability to activate Live Standard with a Suite license (for collab purposes with someone on a different version, since that's the main reason I own Live anyway).

[leeleema]

Good vid here with extra detail on the update:

[thecontrolcentre]

I'm concerned that they're reccomending Win 10 as a minimum requirement for Live 11 as I'm still on win 8.1 ... I upgraded to a 64 bit system when they dropped 32 bit support, and don't really want to be forced to upgrade again.

Has anyone tried the beta out on Win 8 yet? Thanks.

[antic604]

At least this isn't as underwhelming as Cubase 11. Hopefully the early info on that new release is wrong, because that appears to be an impressively underwhelming update.

I've seen the leaked manual. That's all there is to it

[apoclypse]

There is a definitely a lot to like in this update, way more then Live 10 imo.

It looks like that on paper. But I bough 10 then. I'm selling 10 now. It's still clunky and sluggish and for some reason looks way worse than 10, with lots of wasted space. After few years with modern, nimble software like Bitwig and S1 this is simply unacceptable for me.

And to think I was hyped just few hours ago

Well I have the opposite take. Ableton's interface could be more flexible but it still feels modern and well though out to me. in some instances more than Bitwig or S1.

Either way I'm interested in the functionality and in that regard, for my purposes, Bitwig has a long way to go. Ableton may not have the "modern" UI of Bitwig but at least now it has added some much needed features to the PR, comping/takes, follow actions, and their MPE workflow from the looks of it is imo better laid out than Bitwig and definitely S1s.

S1 has become so buggy for me that I don't want to use it anymore and since I'm now working out of the box more I'm planning to use Ableton with my external gear which it's really good at. Bitwig is nice but it just doesn't have the features I'm looking for. I thought it was a "better" Ableton, but it's hard to call it that when Ableton has been adding features that are actually useful to me in a DAW and Bitwig is adding colors to EQs or whatever they are doing now.

[thecontrolcentre]

Ableton has been adding features that are actually useful to me in a DAW and Bitwig is adding colors to EQs or whatever they are doing now.

[xbitz]

hey, eq colors are pretty cool in BWS don't have to think on track/clips colors anymore

the subs are very red, the drums are red, the basses are less red etc. I have to defend them they are genius don't have to listen to see the missing/collided freqs in your arrangement

[liquidsound]

Ableton was already a fast workflow monster for me and now I’m just going to sell all the other DAWs and get to work and create so much more than ever.

V11 additions may not be the ones so many of people hoped for but I feel Ableton has moved to another Modus Operandi and it will transform faster than ever predicted.

I predict M4L will merge natively sooner than expected.
Ableton is mutating one step at the time.

[leeleema]

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I predict M4L will merge natively sooner than expected.
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I see what you're saying and pretty much agree with everything apart from the M4L thing. M4L will always be deeply unstable as it is basically a completely different program with issues that don't play nice inside the Live environment. There's a really good thread on the Ableton forums where posters with a lot more knowledge than me explain why that is the case.

[Mumdad]

The spectral stuff looks interesting.How does they new hybrid reverb stack up vs the established favourites? Any opinions yet?

I don't know about a detailed comparison but I have Sonsig and at first glance the new reverb seems.. Decent? It doesn't immediately make me go 'urgh' like the stock one always did. Seems to have some Valhalla influence in the algorithmic part, being able to downsample the tails etc. Personally I'd be using the convolution part alone for early reflections so I like that it's now possible do that with a native device.

The chorus/flanger/phaser modules are better thought out and better sounding, just the 'warmth' knob alone makes a difference.. Maybe there's nothing major going on that you couldn't have set up with a rack but it makes all the difference if you just want to quickly throw something on a track that sounds 'OK' as a CPU-saving placeholder. There's something to be said for that, same with the hybrid reverb.

Pitchloop is great fun. The spectral stuff seems cool too but I have zero idea what I'm doing with those.

[liquidsound]

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I predict M4L will merge natively sooner than expected.
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I see what you're saying and pretty much agree with everything apart from the M4L thing. M4L will always be deeply unstable as it is basically a completely different program with issues that don't play nice inside the Live environment. There's a really good thread on the Ableton forums where posters with a lot more knowledge than me explain why that is the case.

I mean as an environment mutated into an Ableton code. Possible? No idea, but with them you’ll never know as of now and the future. They are waking up.

[leeleema]

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I predict M4L will merge natively sooner than expected.
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I see what you're saying and pretty much agree with everything apart from the M4L thing. M4L will always be deeply unstable as it is basically a completely different program with issues that don't play nice inside the Live environment. There's a really good thread on the Ableton forums where posters with a lot more knowledge than me explain why that is the case.

I mean as an environment mutated into an Ableton code. Possible? No idea, but with them you’ll never know as of now and the future. They are waking up.

Aye, if you're saying they should just re-code the best M4L effects into native Ableton, then I totally agree with you. However I'm pretty sure there is a basic code issue. Robert Henke I think, referred to it which is the reason LFO, shaper etc are still M4L

[leeleema]

The spectral stuff looks interesting.How does they new hybrid reverb stack up vs the established favourites? Any opinions yet?

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Pitchloop is great fun. The spectral stuff seems cool too but I have zero idea what I'm doing with those.

So Pitchloop is in the Beta? I'm sure another Beta tester said that wasn't available yet?

[Mumdad]

It is, but it's not included in the installer - you have to download it separately in the beta website's downloads section.

[liquidsound]

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I predict M4L will merge natively sooner than expected.
...

I see what you're saying and pretty much agree with everything apart from the M4L thing. M4L will always be deeply unstable as it is basically a completely different program with issues that don't play nice inside the Live environment. There's a really good thread on the Ableton forums where posters with a lot more knowledge than me explain why that is the case.

I mean as an environment mutated into an Ableton code. Possible? No idea, but with them you’ll never know as of now and the future. They are waking up.

Aye, if you're saying they should just re-code the best M4L effects into native Ableton, then I totally agree with you. However I'm pretty sure there is a basic code issue. Robert Henke I think, referred to it which is the reason LFO, shaper etc are still M4L

Definitely a good challenge but they need to prove Ableton is moving into the future with a new pair of shoes.

BWS it’s a modulation heaven but I rather have Ableton awesome workflow and pay a small price with things like Modulat.

Time will tell and it’s coming.

My Master used to say:
Never be surprised and if you loose, loose standing!