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bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:33 pm

mkastrup wrote:Dont expect huge difference between the basses but each of them have a different OSC setting and filter approach.

I really liked the 3rd one, it was really clean and had quite a bit of low end to get my headphones movin'. Nice examples of several sound nuances, as always!

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:19 pm

bmrzycki wrote:I really liked the 3rd one, it was really clean and had quite a bit of low end to get my headphones movin'.

You beat me to it bmrzycki - I was just about to write almost the same, word for word.

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:34 pm

A bit off topic but:

I have to say I really love this thread, it's about as close as I can get to watching a professional sound designer hone his craft. My work and travel schedule don't really permit me to take any classes at the local community college and to be honest I don't know if they'd even cover this aspect of music. I'd probably have to go to sound engineering school to come even close.

This and the Z2 vs Virus thread have been really great to read and learn from. A big thanks to you all!

(And I'm really looking forward to the updated Howard does Z2 bank, I can't wait to see what's been done with the XMF filter given your history and knowledge of true analog filters).

tboulette · Post by **tboulette** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:39 pm

Just a quick note that the latest Computer Music mentions Oldskool Project Vol. 1, FWIW.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:57 pm

tboulette wrote:Just a quick note that the latest Computer Music mentions Oldskool Project Vol. 1, FWIW.

Wow...!

(intelligence tells me that they'll soon also mention Zebra again... but I can't yet say why...)

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:11 pm

I bet its year of the Zebra in china this year, nothing else can explain it

Hmmm wonder if they got a Zebra in their calendar, probably not...hmm ohh well

Thx Brian, i think the drive is my old music gene trying to multiply and hopefully influence people who wasnt around when the synth explosion happend. The old farts i represent rarely get any notice anywhere cause its sooooo oldskool heh heh. In denmark we call it the grey gold meaning people who still got a few things worth sharing/using.

There must be littery thousands of (retired) musicians out there with extreme synth knowledge and nowhere to use that knowledge. My hope is we will see more of these people pop from out of nowhere in the future.

Nice to hear that CM is looking this way

Regarding Howards upcoming patches, heh heh he is sitting on a timebomb, i have a faily good idea of whats coming

Ok, about those basses, well i made another demo which i think is better at telling where to use these kinda basses.
I spend most of my young music year with early Alan Parsons Project, things like I Robot and stuff. I remember those basses as soft sounding sequenced basses. With some minor touch they could go for Giorgio Moroder type of basses if filter was more open and decay more snappy.

http://www.michaelkastrup.com/synthdemo ... ularAP.mp3

I probably going to delete the first mp3 version but i'll decide on that tomorrow.

/Michael

tboulette · Post by **tboulette** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:05 am

Urs wrote:
tboulette wrote:Just a quick note that the latest Computer Music mentions Oldskool Project Vol. 1, FWIW.
Wow...!

(intelligence tells me that they'll soon also mention Zebra again... but I can't yet say why...)

I'm sure it will be in connection with the impending acquisition of CM by the u-he publishing empire....

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:40 am

When i talked about those basses i also mentioned Moroder, so i gave it a shot to night and it was one of those things i could sit with forever but i got to move on. I cheated a bit with the mix cause i added some EQ on the final mix and put in a stereo expander besides using a limiter.

I think most people know this tune

http://www.michaelkastrup.com/synthdemo ... erBass.mp3

/Michael

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:34 am

mkastrup wrote:I think most people know this tune

Blue Man Group!

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:50 am

Urs wrote:
mkastrup wrote:I think most people know this tune
Blue Man Group!

Orbital remix of original!

BTW1 BMG version video here: http://www.blueman.com/videoimages/vide ... ve_h.shtml

BTW2 Is BMG just KLF in disguise?

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:12 am

Ohh well

The original

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:57 am

How to fake a cymbal, hmmm Cymbals are very complex sounds and hard to recreate. So for starters i tried to go for a faked ride cymbal. For this to work i had to figure out which harmonics was the most important, in short i draw the harmonics in Spectroblend by trial and error method until i felt i had something. Now there are probably 1 trillion other ways i could have checked that cymbal but i ended up with doing this

Besides that it also gave me a chance to see how the acoustic like snare and bassdrum worked in other genres. I doubt i'll manage to get realistic cymbals ready for Vol 2 but i got to start somewhere

Now someone might ask, why the heck make such a boring/non dirty south/non techno-trance thing, well the simple answer to this is... its fun

http://www.michaelkastrup.com/synthdemo ... gMuzak.mp3

Organ and Brass is from Vol 1

/Michael

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:36 am

Yo, wow!

It sounds a bit like a sample of a cymbal, but I think you're on the right track!

Making fun music is a great distraction

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:39 am

mkastrup wrote:How to fake a cymbal...

Not a bad start! Cloning metal percussion can drive you crazy (more cowbell, anyone?)
BTW: I suppose you already tried a parallel Allpass to change the character on each hit

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:56 am

I tried look up on synthesis for creating cymbals but the given workarounds was wayyy to complex for me to even bother, also tried the phaser thing but to many harmonics gets muted by that so i went for additive synthesis and painted the harmonics i felt added to the overall sound. As it is right now it needs more sustain and i got to find harmonics for the CUP on the ride. After that i will try for a mix of harmonics between the cup and the edge. Once i have cup, middle and edge it will be time for some small randomization.

At present state i tried to take the decay down to single hit hihat lenght and that works but getting open hihat feel is H A R D. In the demo the MUTED ride you hear is infact the open hihat im trying to create whereas the ride first comes in with the organ. It has more release but is missing all the above things i mentioned.

/Michael

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