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Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Mon May 07, 2012 5:03 pm

braj wrote:SOme people just don't like 'conformists!'

Gorgeous! I love me my SouthParkies.

macmurphy · Post by **macmurphy** » Mon May 07, 2012 5:35 pm

izonin wrote:
Hawking lost the Black Hole War. If you ask the String Theorists, they'll simply say that the time non-linearities will be spread over the whole Horizon.

string theory is just that - a theory. we are talking about people who have to make up dimensions to try to get their theory to work - which i wholeheartedly condone, of course, as physics needs to keep pushing the boundaries... but back to boring synthesizers...

btw, i wasn't aware Hawking lost any 'black hole war'...

macmurphy · Post by **macmurphy** » Mon May 07, 2012 5:38 pm

SadPuppyBlues wrote:Let's not pretend there's nothing wrong with EDM.

quite. why not just not give a f**k instead. genres are boring.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Mon May 07, 2012 5:49 pm

macmurphy wrote:
SadPuppyBlues wrote:Let's not pretend there's nothing wrong with EDM.
quite. why not just not give a f**k instead. genres are boring.

The genres shall not be mentioned here...

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Mon May 07, 2012 6:21 pm

macmurphy wrote:
izonin wrote:
Hawking lost the Black Hole War. If you ask the String Theorists, they'll simply say that the time non-linearities will be spread over the whole Horizon.
string theory is just that - a theory. we are talking about people who have to make up dimensions to try to get their theory to work - which i wholeheartedly condone, of course, as physics needs to keep pushing the boundaries... but back to boring synthesizers...

btw, i wasn't aware Hawking lost any 'black hole war'...

He finally had to agree that his theory about loss of information at the event horizon of a black hole through Hawking radiation was wrong. And he was proven wrong by the string theorists like Leonard Susskind.

macmurphy · Post by **macmurphy** » Mon May 07, 2012 6:32 pm

izonin wrote:And he was proven wrong by the string theorists like Leonard Susskind.

very interesting, i'll have to get hold of 'The Black Hole War' book of his.
thanks for the info izonin

we should have a quantum sub forum.

JJBiener · Post by **JJBiener** » Mon May 07, 2012 6:46 pm

macmurphy wrote:we should have a quantum sub forum.

We have one. The problem is that it only exists when you read it...then reading it changes it.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Mon May 07, 2012 7:01 pm

JJBiener wrote:We have one. The problem is that it only exists when you read it...then reading it changes it.

it isn't the reading that changes it, but the laser beams you shoot from your eyes.

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Mon May 07, 2012 7:17 pm

JJBiener wrote:
macmurphy wrote:we should have a quantum sub forum.
We have one. The problem is that it only exists when you read it...then reading it changes it.

Great jokes on KVR today

Cheers
Dennis

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Mon May 07, 2012 7:32 pm

Wow, even anti-Diva threads blow up!!
All hype is good hype!

Im trying to sum up how I feel, although Im sure its been mentioned a hundred times in this thread.

-No CPU concerns
-No price concerns
-No doubts about sonic quality

Diva is a near perfect achievement of something that I no longer find exciting.
If it had come out some years ago I would have flipped over it. Its what I thought every new VA would sound like. Minimonsta is the last VA I remember really being excited over. That was the last...
I guess Im just not necessarily drawn to analog sound, at all.

Sure, there are nice sounds to be had that are useful to anyone, but as a workhorse synth I couldnt do it.
Part of it is that the sounds/features of VAs tend to not be as useful for the genres/sounds I am interested in, but part of it is also that I wonder what the point is. (Highest quality and most authentic smelling horse+buggy?)

It is interesting to me to think that Diva represents probably the very forefront of dsp development, and its overriding purpose is to recreate decades old sound. And also that that has been a big goal for many many VSTs in those decades.

So, Diva "wins". VA = Done.
Where does it go now?

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:24 pm

macmurphy wrote:
izonin wrote:
Hawking lost the Black Hole War. If you ask the String Theorists, they'll simply say that the time non-linearities will be spread over the whole Horizon.
string theory is just that - a theory. we are talking about people who have to make up dimensions to try to get their theory to work - which i wholeheartedly condone, of course, as physics needs to keep pushing the boundaries... but back to boring synthesizers...

btw, i wasn't aware Hawking lost any 'black hole war'...

It's not even close to a formal theory since it cannot make verifiable predictions - it's an hypothesis at best, and it appears to fail the principle of parsimony. Trying to come up with a Unified Field theory or unify relativity with quantum mechanics doesn't provide us with theories so much as metaphysical explanations so far.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this - I'm just a lowly geologist

Regarding nonlinearities, I believe Edgard Varese once said "Nature abhors repetition." That surely apples to my ears.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Mon May 07, 2012 9:20 pm

Gonga wrote:Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this - I'm just a lowly geologist

it currently doesn't make any predictions in the usual observe - predict - experiment/verify order. it does make verifiable predictions that are currently very expensive to experiment with.

expensive sure, but come on we're just being cheap.

all we need is this super-conductor 1 ly long, and ...

aallvor · Post by **aallvor** » Mon May 07, 2012 9:27 pm

highkoo wrote:Diva is a near perfect achievement of something that I no longer find exciting.

This is exactly how I feel about Diva. Personally I'm much more excited about synths that differ from the concept of subtractive synthesis, even though they don't sound as "good" as Diva.

olepro · Post by **olepro** » Mon May 07, 2012 10:34 pm

I really don't think DIVA sounds 11 years better than my good old Vaz 2010 synth.
But it uses at least 11 times more cpu !

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon May 07, 2012 11:21 pm

aallvor wrote:
highkoo wrote:Diva is a near perfect achievement of something that I no longer find exciting.
This is exactly how I feel about Diva. Personally I'm much more excited about synths that differ from the concept of subtractive synthesis, even though they don't sound as "good" as Diva.

That's a valid point. I'm pretty sure we'll find other applications for the methods we used in Diva, in completely different types of synthesis. And of course a great filter is never sniffed at, not even in a whatever complex additive synth.

Does anyone NOT like Diva?