The long DIVA thread

[Ingonator]

and should that promised OBXa ever arrive, we can add its filters for a whole new round of Jumps!

That would be awesome!! I already have tried with Arturia SEM V how it could sound with a (more or less...) proper Oberheim filter (my own preset):
http://soundcloud.com/ingoweidner/ingo- ... jump-brass

Same preset, different track:
http://soundcloud.com/ingoweidner/ingo- ... em-v-brass

I was not able to reproduce that one exactly with Diva or most other synths but an OB-Xa and/or SEM filter in Diva would be great for that (and other) kind of stuff for sure.

Ingo

I don't think the plan is to use somebody else's emulation as reference!
(I'm aware you aren't suggesting that)

Hi Howard,

sure i don't but so far there is no real comparison possible anyway as the filters are really different IMO. Laurent/Lotuzia mentioned some time ago that i'm mostly quite honest and to be honest i like both Diva and SEM V. Does this mean i need a visit at a psychiatrist?


Ingo

[zvenx]

I am a huge Oberheim fan if he puts those filters and stuff from the Prophet five into Diva.. my oh my...as it is it is already a killer synth
rsp

[metrosonic]

sure i don't but so far there is no real comparison possible anyway as the filters are really different IMO. Laurent/Lotuzia mentioned some time ago that i'm mostly quite honest and to be honest i like both Diva and SEM V. Does this mean i need a visit at a psychiatrist?
Ingo

No Doctor's visit required, I like Arturia's SEM emulation too (makes a great bedfellow to DIVA). Unless that is we're both due a vist to the quacks couch!



JM
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[alexfalcao]

How hard would be to put an Arpegiator or a sequencer in DIVA?

[Urs]

How hard would be to put an Arpegiator or a sequencer in DIVA?

That depends.

The reason it's not in is our planned Multicore support. Because that mangles all the voice order/allocation/usage thing. We would have to put Arps and Seqs into a different place than we're used to.

We werent't all that lucky with multicore yet (otehrwise it would be in Diva), but we'll see.

In short: they are not ruled out, but we have to take other things into account first.

Urs

[Bronto Scorpio]

And it is already possible to create some pseudo arps. Check my "Duality" preset from the factory library and hold down 2 notes

(This is of course just a silly workaround)

Cheers
Dennis

[Urs]

(and should that promised OBXa ever arrive, we can add its filters for a whole new round of Jumps!)

Urs
Does his mean that you will be getting an Oberheim OB-Xa to analyse its filter for inclusion in Diva?
How about the Rev 2 Prophet 5?

Maybe. No promises, but we won't rule out that we'll add more models later.

Urs

[Ingonator]

And it is already possible to create some pseudo arps. Check my "Duality" preset from the factory library and hold down 2 notes

(This is of course just a silly workaround)

Cheers
Dennis

That preset is great work! reminded me of the beginning from Vangelis' "Pulstar" when a single note is used.


Anyway at least an Arp would be nice. At the moment i use the Arp from Ableton Live 8 for Diva. As an external step sequencer i got WOK Clockwork.


Ingo

[alexfalcao]

I was surprised to see so many nice presets, specially the rhytmics, really nice work by all.

[electro]

How hard would be to put an Arpegiator or a sequencer in DIVA?

The less clutter on a VSTInstrumet like DIVA the better. Since there are so many MIDI capable hosts and so many FX, its better if the developers spend all thier energy and resources nailing down core components like filters and oscillators. We already have the other parts.

Anyway at least an Arp would be nice. At the moment i use the Arp from Ableton Live 8 for Diva. As an external step sequencer i got WOK Clockwork.


Ingo

WOK's excellent Arpeggiator plugins are the perfect plugs to pair up with DIVA, but you may need J-bridge to get them working in a 64bit Host.

[atukao]

The less clutter on a VSTInstrumet like DIVA the better. Since there are so many MIDI capable hosts and so many FX, its better if the developers spend all thier energy and resources nailing down core components like filters and oscillators. We already have the other parts.

Agreed, I would much prefer Diva to remain without an arpeggiator and other peripheral devices.
Filters and oscillators are of prime importance.

[metrosonic]

The less clutter on a VSTInstrumet like DIVA the better. Since there are so many MIDI capable hosts and so many FX, its better if the developers spend all thier energy and resources nailing down core components like filters and oscillators. We already have the other parts.

Agreed, I would much prefer Diva to remain without of an arpeggiator and other peripheral devices.
Filters and oscillators are of prime importance.

I'll add my voice of approval to this type of approach too. I have plenty of options available to me with regards to step sequencing and arpeggiation and would rather that DIVA stays focussed and doesn't get lost in a world of feature creep.

Prophet & Oberheim filter/oscillator emulation on the other hand - that would be the icing on the cake!

JM
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[Echoes in the Attic]

How hard would be to put an Arpegiator or a sequencer in DIVA?

The less clutter on a VSTInstrumet like DIVA the better. Since there are so many MIDI capable hosts and so many FX, its better if the developers spend all thier energy and resources nailing down core components like filters and oscillators. We already have the other parts.

I agree with regards to a sequencer in a synth but I strongly disagree with regards to an arpeggiator.

I don't understand the need for a sequencer in a synth, in fact I think it's extrememly silly. You're stuck with that one sequence rather than being able to do the exact same thing in your host, yet with unlimited variations!

An arp on the other hand is a totally different matter. For one thing setting up an arp in a host can mean extra routing and extra tracks and of course extra devices. And most importantly, an on board arp can allow for things that are impossible or uncommon with external arps, such as a tie/glide between notes. This is of course very useful because you can get very custom ounding passages, yet be able to play the chords in realtime. Many people don't get the difference between an arp and a sequencer though...

[metrosonic]

Many people don't get the difference between an arp and a sequencer though...

I think you just might be insulting a few peoples intelligence here. I'm pretty certain that most of the people in this thread understand the difference between a sequencer and an arpeggiator. Just because certain people have a different view to your own doesn't mean they lack your insight.

And for what it's worth most decent arpeggiation tools allow you more freedom to modulate a variety of paramaters in the target synth. I'm not anti onboard arpeggiation per se but if it comes at the expense of multi-processor support I know which I'd prefer.

JM
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[Ch00rD]

I should refrain from making jokes about putting all sorts of things into the fat lady, so let me just say that it would be nice to bring her a surprise treat every now and then (flowers, chocolates, lingerie, jewelry... I've heard rumors that she also likes a good cigar). Since divas like to change their appearances several times a day, she can't have enough choice of accessories (and Urs has already made wardrobe changes much easier).

I will only consider voting yes for any internal sequencer/ arpeggiator stuff when the TB-303 would be modelled in Diva. (For now I'm quite happy with ABL2 in the plugin department -- another reason to consider other filter types such as the Prophet or Oberheim ones more interesting candidates for inclusion in Diva. She does make me wonder how much better a zero delay feedback implementation of a 303 could sound though...)

I haven't tried WOK's MIDI plugins, they seem quite nifty but are unfortunately PC only. On the Mac side of things there's another secret weapon though: Numerology, the only piece of software I would consider to be a proper sequencer instead of a glorified piano roll editor (also available as AU and VST plugins for use within your host of choice). Excellent for step-sequencing and arpeggiating until the fat lady sings.

Tbh, I don't like distinguishing between arpeggiator vs. step sequencer, I consider them to be basic archetypes, whereas I prefer to use more complex hybrid modular sequencing thingies (for which I like Numerology, Max and the like).