Behringer Vintage Plugin

[Uncle E]

As far as I am concerned, cheap meat has juice.

If Behringer were 80/20 I'd smash.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I heard they took the website down to rename it "Saurish"

Now that would be awesome and make me actually go a buy something Behringer, the way that person from Tone 2 is acting and trying to manipulate this forum right now with multiple threads is so childish, so them being just as childish in return would be internet gold hahaha.

Yes, there's nothing wrong by being "inspired" by classic or even iconic concepts ("this is a Minimoog-style synthesizer"), but that isn't the only thing that's going on here. The usage of someone else's design language is unmistakable, which is based on years of design work. That's low.

The bigger fail is elsewhere though. Ableton Analog has a specific form factor because of how it's integrated in the DAW. The layout is a compromise, such that it's weirdly far away from classic synthesizer layouts. They probably did the best they could. But it's absolutely awkward to take that layout and stuff it in a plug-in that is not constrained by the same factors. It's a bit like the people who made that decision have no idea about synthesisers.

This is the biggest word salad I have read today, all to boil down to "They don't know anything about synths" which is a surprising conclusion about the best selling synth company on the planet, like or hate them, that is a fact.
So your point is that they know so little about synths that the public are just as bad?
Because they are selling more synths to you know, the public, than anybody else.
Is this a wise choice when you want to sell synths to that same public, or are you suggesting the public that know nothing about synths, those who buy Behringer, should not buy your synths?

Can’t wait for Behringer upcoming DAW with publicity and comments it will get

The best thing will be seeing the developers who moan about them hahaha.

Does Tone2 own fake wood grain or fake knobs or fake blue LCD screens of course not. Plugins are not made from wood, don't have the ability to have actual knobs and don't have actual LCD screens aside from your computers monitor

The plugin is a polyphonic 2 osc subtractive synth with envelopes a filter and LFOs

Pretty sure there are hundreds of plugins with that same feature all of them copying the functionality of the Prophet 5 which came out in 1977

The Prophet 5 also had wood grain and knobs that Tone2 CLEARLY stole for their plugins Yuk

It's amazing anyone with a functioning brain would make that leap

It's not about wood grain and fake knobs. It's about a particular style or "design language" that is being used in Saurus and Ray Blaster (and Warlock, partly) that involves a dark stripe behind sets of knobs, square buttons falling inside the stripe area and knobs with densely packed inidicator lines that grow longer towards the right end of the range. This last feature is particularly telling.

Being generous: Perhaps it's not a deliberate copy but a subconscious picking up of an existing product's style. Nevertheless, to imply people are being stupid for suggesting a similarity is not going to stand up to scrutiny.

Behringer:
Behringer knobs.png


Tone2:
Tone2 knobs.png


Finally, I'm not out to get Behringer, and am still interested to see what they do with software.

The thing that will not stand up to scrutiny is anybody suggesting that any of these elements are unique at all, the world of VST is so vast that as I stated earlier, you could go in to the KVR database and find various plugins that use this design style.
And lets not forget another thing here, go look at the instruments forum right now, it is quite funny that Tone2 are getting so much publicity from this too right?
It is probably the best thing that has happened to them in years.

What Urs wrote wasn't word salad at all, it was a very good point. Not like some huge injustice or anything. It's just kind of funny in a sad way. Behringer clearly found a couple vintage type soft synths and mashed them together. They copied the ableton analog structure and layout and used the saurus graphics on it. That is all. And it's unmistakable. Urs point was that it's bizarre that they copied a layout that was constrained by the ableton device format when they had no such constraints making a new plugin. Definitely makes you think it's a bit amateur.

But as you say, Tone2 gets good publicity so I don't think they're getting harmed. I have a behringer k2 and 2600. I like their cheap copies, but I'll still laugh at such an obvious and awkward rip off of two existing soft synths.

[Uncle E]

Ps: Studio one ripped off cubase
and Bitwig Ripped off ableton

FTR, Studio One and Bitwig were created by the same people who created Cubase and Ableton, respectively.

[audiojunkie]

I heard they took the website down to rename it "Saurish"

Now that would be awesome and make me actually go a buy something Behringer, the way that person from Tone 2 is acting and trying to manipulate this forum right now with multiple threads is so childish, so them being just as childish in return would be internet gold hahaha.

Yes, there's nothing wrong by being "inspired" by classic or even iconic concepts ("this is a Minimoog-style synthesizer"), but that isn't the only thing that's going on here. The usage of someone else's design language is unmistakable, which is based on years of design work. That's low.

The bigger fail is elsewhere though. Ableton Analog has a specific form factor because of how it's integrated in the DAW. The layout is a compromise, such that it's weirdly far away from classic synthesizer layouts. They probably did the best they could. But it's absolutely awkward to take that layout and stuff it in a plug-in that is not constrained by the same factors. It's a bit like the people who made that decision have no idea about synthesisers.

This is the biggest word salad I have read today, all to boil down to "They don't know anything about synths" which is a surprising conclusion about the best selling synth company on the planet, like or hate them, that is a fact.
So your point is that they know so little about synths that the public are just as bad?
Because they are selling more synths to you know, the public, than anybody else.
Is this a wise choice when you want to sell synths to that same public, or are you suggesting the public that know nothing about synths, those who buy Behringer, should not buy your synths?

Can’t wait for Behringer upcoming DAW with publicity and comments it will get

The best thing will be seeing the developers who moan about them hahaha.

Does Tone2 own fake wood grain or fake knobs or fake blue LCD screens of course not. Plugins are not made from wood, don't have the ability to have actual knobs and don't have actual LCD screens aside from your computers monitor

The plugin is a polyphonic 2 osc subtractive synth with envelopes a filter and LFOs

Pretty sure there are hundreds of plugins with that same feature all of them copying the functionality of the Prophet 5 which came out in 1977

The Prophet 5 also had wood grain and knobs that Tone2 CLEARLY stole for their plugins Yuk

It's amazing anyone with a functioning brain would make that leap

It's not about wood grain and fake knobs. It's about a particular style or "design language" that is being used in Saurus and Ray Blaster (and Warlock, partly) that involves a dark stripe behind sets of knobs, square buttons falling inside the stripe area and knobs with densely packed inidicator lines that grow longer towards the right end of the range. This last feature is particularly telling.

Being generous: Perhaps it's not a deliberate copy but a subconscious picking up of an existing product's style. Nevertheless, to imply people are being stupid for suggesting a similarity is not going to stand up to scrutiny.

Behringer:
Behringer knobs.png


Tone2:
Tone2 knobs.png


Finally, I'm not out to get Behringer, and am still interested to see what they do with software.

The thing that will not stand up to scrutiny is anybody suggesting that any of these elements are unique at all, the world of VST is so vast that as I stated earlier, you could go in to the KVR database and find various plugins that use this design style.
And lets not forget another thing here, go look at the instruments forum right now, it is quite funny that Tone2 are getting so much publicity from this too right?
It is probably the best thing that has happened to them in years.

The Kruger-Dunning effect is strong with this one!

[audiojunkie]

Behringer should win a copy cat award for their originality:



I can't imagine any developer that worked hard on creating a product that would approve of this company:

[Weasel-Boy]

Did I miss someone mentioning this in the last 20 pages? Has anyone figured a reason (real or imagined) why Behringer actually pulled the plug-in from their website?

[seafire]

Did I miss someone mentioning this in the last 20 pages? Has anyone figured a reason (real or imagined) why Behringer actually pulled the plug-in from their website?

Too buggy
Too similar
Too crap

They seem popular

[Echoes in the Attic]

Did I miss someone mentioning this in the last 20 pages? Has anyone figured a reason (real or imagined) why Behringer actually pulled the plug-in from their website?

Re-branding to Behrington Analaurus.

Oh I got a ton of 'em!

[Vortifex]

Did I miss someone mentioning this in the last 20 pages? Has anyone figured a reason (real or imagined) why Behringer actually pulled the plug-in from their website?

They are claiming on Facebook that they didn't officially launch it and the link to it was leaked. Smells like BS to me:

behringer.jpeg

[harddaysnight]

They didn't seriously test the waters and see if anyone would notice what they've done, did they?

If Behringer's company persona was a person (I know who the founder is), they wouldn't be anyone I'd hang around.
Constant lies, deceit, stealing.. it's just like everything I wouldn't want in my life.

[IvyBirds]

They didn't seriously test the waters and see if anyone would notice what they've done, did they?

What exactly did they do? Even if they blatantly copied something which they didn't what difference does it make? I can name dozens of plugins that sell for hundreds of dollars ones you probably own that are copies of other companies Synths or have samples of other companies Synths in them

Just on my system alone I have plugins from the following companies that blatantly copy other companies Synths or have samples from them

Spectrasonics, Roland, Korg, Arturia, U-He, UAD, Yamaha, Waves, UVI, Cherry Audio, IK Multimedia, Steinberg, Presonus, and probably more

My guess is there is zero chance you don't have any

The hypocrisy of the fake outrage and virtue signalling over this is stunning

It's perfectly fine for dozens of companies to rip off every vintage synth Roland, Yamaha, Sequential, Oberheim, Korg and other companies made, right down to the face of them, never mind the oscillators, filters, waveforms, Wavetables, samples etc

You seem to have zero issues with that, yet god forbid Behringer makes a plugin with wood grain and knobs and gives it away for free, then people lose their mind

[Uncle E]

The hypocrisy of the fake outrage and virtue signalling over this is stunning

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[egbert101]

What exactly did they do? Even if they blatantly copied something which they didn't what difference does it make?

Stealing (possessions or ideas) is generally considered unethical, immoral, or even illegal. Most humans understand this. Were you born yesterday?

also many songs steal the building blocks from other songs oasis have done this ( who cares ?)

Stealing (possessions or ideas) is generally considered unethical, immoral, or even illegal. Most humans understand this. Were you born yesterday?

[kobraji]

It seems that in the last month all their websites have experienced crashes, according to what I read on reddit..
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[harddaysnight]

They didn't seriously test the waters and see if anyone would notice what they've done, did they?

What exactly did they do? Even if they blatantly copied something which they didn't what difference does it make? I can name dozens of plugins that sell for hundreds of dollars ones you probably own that are copies of other companies Synths or have samples of other companies Synths in them

Just on my system alone I have plugins from the following companies that blatantly copy other companies Synths or have samples from them

Spectrasonics, Roland, Korg, Arturia, U-He, UAD, Yamaha, Waves, UVI, Cherry Audio, IK Multimedia, Steinberg, Presonus, and probably more

My guess is there is zero chance you don't have any

The hypocrisy of the fake outrage and virtue signalling over this is stunning

It's perfectly fine for dozens of companies to rip off every vintage synth Roland, Yamaha, Sequential, Oberheim, Korg and other companies made, right down to the face of them, never mind the oscillators, filters, waveforms, Wavetables, samples etc

You seem to have zero issues with that, yet god forbid Behringer makes a plugin with wood grain and knobs and gives it away for free, then people lose their mind

What they did has been pretty extensively covered in this thread - you're free to read through it.

Your whataboutisms don't work in this context, because the companies you've listed have emulations of hardware - whether they're faithful recreations of hardware synthesisers, or their own takes on older hardware synthesisers, it's a different context.

With this thread, we're talking about Behringer essentially knocking off software.

There's no "fake outrage" or "virtue signalling" - you need to understand that context matters.
I wish more people kept context in mind, but I do realise we live in an age of clickbait headlines, short-form content and political hyper-division, so I totally get that there's not enough time for thought.