Is there a point in geting Diva if u own Dcam Synth Squad?

[Rimwolf]

Read this Diva review from Keyboard magazine:

This link is more straightforward: http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/u-he-diva/148447

[Sendy]

I always found this quote from the review funny:

Modulating the waveform of the Triple VCO from triangle to saw produces a slight and very analog-sounding pitch instability. As the modulating signal speeds up, the pitch changes get larger. Though I'm a bit skeptical, I'm going to call this a feature.

Maybe I'm being over-defensive here but to get from triangle to saw without crossfading requires moving wavefronts. Moving wavefronts cause pitch illusions. It really is that simple. It's the same thing with PWM, you get a sort of doppler effect since the moving part of the wave comes a bit earlier or later on each cycle, altering the percieved pitch.

[JoeCat]

I own all three (inc. ACE), and all three (all 5, if you count DCAM as 3 different synths) are....completely different.

Most of the posts already elaborated on that, but the point is that, although you may not need Diva or ACE, if you do demo them and decide to purchase them, I don't think there will be a time where you say "I could have done this just as easily with DCAM", or visa-versa. For example, neither ACE nor DVIA implement divide-down, paraphonic synthesis with a formant filter (ala Amber), and none of the DCAM synths are going to allow you to run a Roland DCO through a Korg filter controlled by a Moog envelope. Besides the character, all have different approaches to synthesis and workflow.

ACE is probably the least "immediate" of them all, but I enjoy it the most

[JoeCat]

I always found this quote from the review funny:

Modulating the waveform of the Triple VCO from triangle to saw produces a slight and very analog-sounding pitch instability. As the modulating signal speeds up, the pitch changes get larger. Though I'm a bit skeptical, I'm going to call this a feature.

Maybe I'm being over-defensive here but to get from triangle to saw without crossfading requires moving wavefronts. Moving wavefronts cause pitch illusions. It really is that simple. It's the same thing with PWM, you get a sort of doppler effect since the moving part of the wave comes a bit earlier or later on each cycle, altering the percieved pitch.

your synth knowledge, Sendy

I'm not being sarcastic (shame we have to qualify that nowadays) - I always appreciate your contributions.

[musikmachine]

OP there's a sale on the Synth squad soundbanks and Myagi has done a bunch of tutorials which you may wanna check out before ponying up for Diva!:

Thank ü for the tip.

I'm not saying don't buy Diva but Synth Squad is a deep system. Different colours of the spectrum and all that. I plan to get Diva one day when i upgrade my cpu but the Squad have taken up residency until then.

Well, i do not think Synth Squade and Diva that appart in CPU usage, and in fact if u use Fuser in crazy patches, u can get even 4 time CPU usage then Diva, i guess...

Exactly, i don't have enough cpu cycles for SS alone, i generally have to resample patches i create in Fusor standalone. But SS takes time to explore and find the sweet spot, try lowering the filter drive and you'll get a much cleaner sound for example. Cypher is a beast and one of my favourite synths period. But i agree with JoeCat, they are different, Whether that different is something you desire only you can decide!

[Sendy]

I always found this quote from the review funny:

Modulating the waveform of the Triple VCO from triangle to saw produces a slight and very analog-sounding pitch instability. As the modulating signal speeds up, the pitch changes get larger. Though I'm a bit skeptical, I'm going to call this a feature.

Maybe I'm being over-defensive here but to get from triangle to saw without crossfading requires moving wavefronts. Moving wavefronts cause pitch illusions. It really is that simple. It's the same thing with PWM, you get a sort of doppler effect since the moving part of the wave comes a bit earlier or later on each cycle, altering the percieved pitch.

your synth knowledge, Sendy

I'm not being sarcastic (shame we have to qualify that nowadays) - I always appreciate your contributions.

That's kind of you to say so. Though most of my knowledge I believe comes from just having spent way too long watching oscilloscopes and spectrographs

[hollo]

your synth knowledge, Sendy

I'm not being sarcastic (shame we have to qualify that nowadays) - I always appreciate your contributions.

That's kind of you to say so. Though most of my knowledge I believe comes from just having spent way too long watching oscilloscopes and spectrographs

That's more than enough Sendy!!!

[chilly7]

Read this Diva review from Keyboard magazine:

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/newbay/ ... tid=60#/60

I tried Synth Squad: it has some cool dynamic stuff happening, but the overall sound quality is much better in Diva, in my opinion. Then again, overall I like Zebra better than Diva.

Thank u

[snigelx]

I do not own SS DCAM but I enjoy Diva's ability to MIX these nice sounding modules/filters from the vintage synths it is modelled after. Nice to throw Moog feedback in where you want. There is also the binary Modifiers and advanced voice-trimming (useful modulation bank) section which adds the inspiring twitst and quirky realness of some of the old poly synths. And Diva is verrrry much capable of getting...complex sounds...Then what is that really? Shifts in timber? Wild recursive modulation? And I very much like the quality of Diva's optional Serial Fx. Lot's of Diva and Zebra tutorials on YouTube to help get acquainted with the potential and I quite like patch handling, info and banking of U-he synths. Cheers!

[chilly7]

I always found this quote from the review funny:

Modulating the waveform of the Triple VCO from triangle to saw produces a slight and very analog-sounding pitch instability. As the modulating signal speeds up, the pitch changes get larger. Though I'm a bit skeptical, I'm going to call this a feature.

Maybe I'm being over-defensive here but to get from triangle to saw without crossfading requires moving wavefronts. Moving wavefronts cause pitch illusions. It really is that simple. It's the same thing with PWM, you get a sort of doppler effect since the moving part of the wave comes a bit earlier or later on each cycle, altering the percieved pitch.

your synth knowledge, Sendy

I'm not being sarcastic (shame we have to qualify that nowadays) - I always appreciate your contributions.

That's kind of you to say so. Though most of my knowledge I believe comes from just having spent way too long watching oscilloscopes and spectrographs

By the way, sorry for oftopic. Anybody can suggest me a good free(legal ofcause:) ) or payed oscilope. I could not find any.
All which i found does not work on Mounting Lion or are not 64bit DAW ready.
I use Ableton Live 8 64 bit right now.

[chilly7]

I do not own SS DCAM but I enjoy Diva's ability to MIX these nice sounding modules/filters from the vintage synths it is modelled after. Nice to throw Moog feedback in where you want. There is also the binary Modifiers and advanced voice-trimming (useful modulation bank) section which adds the inspiring twitst and quirky realness of some of the old poly synths. And Diva is verrrry much capable of getting...complex sounds...Then what is that really? Shifts in timber? Wild recursive modulation? And I very much like the quality of Diva's optional Serial Fx. Lot's of Diva and Zebra tutorials on YouTube to help get acquainted with the potential and I quite like patch handling, info and banking of U-he synths. Cheers!

I think this is one of the strange of UHe products dispite the sound quality ofcause, that u there are many good tutorials, from very beginnner to pro about all their products, while can u find any about Dcam on Youtube exepet a couple of basic ones? lol

[hakey]

Anybody can suggest me a good free(legal ofcause:) ) or payed oscilope.

oscilope?

[chilly7]

Anybody can suggest me a good free(legal ofcause:) ) or payed oscilope.

oscilope?

Ciclope like this one http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/v ... VGjPEO7DlF




but it would be also nice if they advice me oscilloscope like this one

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/v ... VGjPEO7DlF

[ariston]

here ya go....

http://bram.smartelectronix.com/plugins.php?id=4

[Numanoid]

What Diva can, that entire Synth Squad cannot?

Why go out for hamburger if you got steak at home?

Well, a change is nice now and again