Speaking about fm possibilities in Bazilie.

[whyterabbyt]

true, but it is not the case in my case.

actually it is.

U can get alot of amazing sounds with Baziliebut also alot of amazing sounds are not possible or will not be exectly as needed by a createor....

You're going to have to grow up and learn that no single tool exists to fill every single possible niche. It is not up to the developer of a tool to ensure that every single thing that you can think of gets added to meet your sense of what it could do were it utterly redesigned; it is up to you to learn to work with the tool that actually exists.
Learn to adapt to the fact that a spade would not be a better spade for having the tines of a fork, or build your own.

[helium]

Why do you want to change Bazille if FM8 already has all you want? Just use FM8.

[chilly7]

true, but it is not the case in my case.

actually it is.

U can get alot of amazing sounds with Baziliebut also alot of amazing sounds are not possible or will not be exectly as needed by a createor....

You're going to have to grow up and learn that no single tool exists to fill every single possible niche. It is not up to the developer of a tool to ensure that every single thing that you can think of gets added to meet your sense of what it could do were it utterly redesigned; it is up to you to learn to work with the tool that actually exists.
Learn to adapt to the fact that a spade would not be a better spade for having the tines of a fork, or build your own.

Yes there is no singel tool which can do awrything but u can make tools to have more possibilities.
I do not ask Bazilie to do awrything i just request a particular feature!

[chilly7]

Why do you want to change Bazille if FM8 already has all you want? Just use FM8.

Sound quality!!!

[thetechnobear]

@chilly, adding all these things (drawable envelopes, more envelopes) all adds complexity to an already complex offering, you can't put everything in one synth and still make it sound good, use low cpu, easy to use UI etc.
(also bare in mind, your asking for 4 more envelopes, and all drawable… but others will ask for loads of other features… where does it all end?)

so synths tend to have an underlying concept, this helps us (users) get to know the synth well, and how to make the best of what we have available… often leading us to places we didn't dream of. 'limitations' are often more liberating that choice- so pick the synth thats closest to what you need, then learn it really well.

hey perhaps when the berlin modular arrives, perhaps you can add all the modules you want… if you are willing to take the cpu hit etc. I hope it will be like a hardware modular, you buy the modules you want then fit them together… but its a big undertaking for u-he.

if your not willing to wait that long, no problem - use Reakor (or Max) and build your own synth.
you can then have as many envelopes, oscillators as your computer can handle, both are pretty straightforward ( I think ), and the quality is as good as your coding

[Urs]

Yes there is no singel tool which can do awrything but u can make tools to have more possibilities.
I do not ask Bazilie to do awrything i just request a particular feature!

Can one reuse the envelope of one FM operator in FM8 and apply it to another? - I guess not, because they seem to be part of the operator structure. That's why this architecture needs many envelopes, even if in most patches they all look the same. Check it out - in by far most DX-7 sounds all envelopes look a fair bit alike. The sound designer would have set up one envelope, and copied its settings to the other envelopes.

In Bazille you can reuse one envelope for many different purposes. You can scale, invert, quantize, lowpass, distort, freeform, multiply and transform its signal in many ways for different targets. This way you're faster and more efficient to arrive at the same spot that often can only be tediously reached in a fixed layout.

"More of everything" is only seemingly an advantage. In reality, it's a frequent drawback. The true advantage lies in tools that have a certain feature set for a certain depth.

[EvilDragon]

I do not ask Bazilie to do awrything i just request a particular feature!

OK. You requested it, Howard replied that it WILL NOT HAPPEN. Drop it, now. It will not happen.

[whyterabbyt]

Yes there is no singel tool which can do awrything but u can make tools to have more possibilities.

Not if they are at odds with the fundamental tool as it is, no.

I do not ask Bazilie to do awrything i just request a particular feature!

No, not 'a particular feature'. You basically asked 'This is a bit like that. Please make it have all the stuff from that.' Because you think they have points in common, you want Bazille to behave just like FM8, instead of you aving to learn how to use Bazille.
You seem to have this notion that adding such features is trivial, but instead its changing the fundamental design of the software.
Anyway, you've already been told 'no', and why. Time for you to move on and actually use Bazille instead of spending time asking for it to get turned into not-Bazille.

[chilly7]

@chilly, adding all these things (drawable envelopes, more envelopes) all adds complexity to an already complex offering, you can't put everything in one synth and still make it sound good, use low cpu, easy to use UI etc.
(also bare in mind, your asking for 4 more envelopes, and all drawable… but others will ask for loads of other features… where does it all end?)

so synths tend to have an underlying concept, this helps us (users) get to know the synth well, and how to make the best of what we have available… often leading us to places we didn't dream of. 'limitations' are often more liberating that choice- so pick the synth thats closest to what you need, then learn it really well.

hey perhaps when the berlin modular arrives, perhaps you can add all the modules you want… if you are willing to take the cpu hit etc. I hope it will be like a hardware modular, you buy the modules you want then fit them together… but its a big undertaking for u-he.

if your not willing to wait that long, no problem - use Reakor (or Max) and build your own synth.
you can then have as many envelopes, oscillators as your computer can handle, both are pretty straightforward ( I think ), and the quality is as good as your coding

That's why Uhe plugins are considrpered high end, even Native Instruments are not on pair with UHe exept Reaktor!!!
P.s.
If u conern about CPU hit then u may not use some particular featurs, even Diva has different modes of quality for different CPU powers so awrybody will be happy even house wifes with kitchen computers!!!

[chilly7]

Yes there is no singel tool which can do awrything but u can make tools to have more possibilities.
I do not ask Bazilie to do awrything i just request a particular feature!

Can one reuse the envelope of one FM operator in FM8 and apply it to another? - I guess not, because they seem to be part of the operator structure. That's why this architecture needs many envelopes, even if in most patches they all look the same. Check it out - in by far most DX-7 sounds all envelopes look a fair bit alike. The sound designer would have set up one envelope, and copied its settings to the other envelopes.

In Bazille you can reuse one envelope for many different purposes. You can scale, invert, quantize, lowpass, distort, freeform, multiply and transform its signal in many ways for different targets. This way you're faster and more efficient to arrive at the same spot that often can only be tediously reached in a fixed layout.

"More of everything" is only seemingly an advantage. In reality, it's a frequent drawback. The true advantage lies in tools that have a certain feature set for a certain depth.

Thank u for advice! I will take a look at all possibilities of Bazzilie, hopefully i will be able to get exect sound i want for a particular song!
But still that feature what i ask would be nice!!!!!!!

[chilly7]

Yes there is no singel tool which can do awrything but u can make tools to have more possibilities.

Not if they are at odds with the fundamental tool as it is, no.

I do not ask Bazilie to do awrything i just request a particular feature!

No, not 'a particular feature'. You basically asked 'This is a bit like that. Please make it have all the stuff from that.' Because you think they have points in common, you want Bazille to behave just like FM8, instead of you aving to learn how to use Bazille.
You seem to have this notion that adding such features is trivial, but instead its changing the fundamental design of the software.
Anyway, you've already been told 'no', and why. Time for you to move on and actually use Bazille instead of spending time asking for it to get turned into not-Bazille.

Even if sombody seid no it does not forbit me to continue to speak about it, and ones they hit a brick wall or see the real advantage for what i ask they may change their mind.

In this paticular case i do not ask for changing fundamental desin of Bazilie because it wont replace the original design and it may be implemented as an opition.

[EvilDragon]

and ones they hit a brick wall or see the real advantage for what i ask they may change their mind.

Except they won't change their mind.

In this paticular case i do not ask for changing fundamental desin of Bazilie because it wont replace the original design and it may be implemented as an opition.

Yes, you are asking for a change in the fundamental design of Bazille. It won't happen. Period.

[#rob]

You can use the Mapping Generators as envelopes, e.g. by tracking a Ramp

I see, but how many of them are? Are there at list 8 of them?
So i can use 1 for amp, 1 for pitch for each of 4 oscilators...

You can use the two Mod Mappers, and you have the Step Sequencer with up to 4 sub-sequences and up to 8 variations that you could mis-use as an envelope generator, maybe with help of the Lag Generators. Oh, and there are 4 dedicated Envelopes, 2 Ramps that can act as Envelopes, there are LFOs that can be turned into Envelope generators of variable shape (use Wave control), plus each one of the 4 OSCs can cycle as slow as an LFO so they can be turned into an envelope... the possibilities are nearly limitless, you just need to see them.

[chilly7]

and ones they hit a brick wall or see the real advantage for what i ask they may change their mind.

Except they won't change their mind.

In this paticular case i do not ask for changing fundamental desin of Bazilie because it wont replace the original design and it may be implemented as an opition.

Yes, you are asking for a change in the fundamental design of Bazille. It won't happen. Period.

Never say never!

[chilly7]

You can use the Mapping Generators as envelopes, e.g. by tracking a Ramp

I see, but how many of them are? Are there at list 8 of them?
So i can use 1 for amp, 1 for pitch for each of 4 oscilators...

You can use the two Mod Mappers, and you have the Step Sequencer with up to 4 sub-sequences and up to 8 variations that you could mis-use as an envelope generator, maybe with help of the Lag Generators. Oh, and there are 4 dedicated Envelopes, 2 Ramps that can act as Envelopes, there are LFOs that can be turned into Envelope generators of variable shape (use Wave control), plus each one of the 4 OSCs can cycle as slow as an LFO so they can be turned into an envelope... the possibilities are nearly limitless, you just need to see them.

Thank u fur trying to help me, i will take a look at all possibilities!!!