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re: scene intro synthesizers: In fact that's what Xhip was originally :)

Yes though I think taking all this stuff into account: freedom of effects vs. limits the current system is quite good at preserving the sound of and focus on the synthesizer itself.

Then again...
https://soundcloud.com/xhip/farrest

Here I've used only a single master limiter which is active about 1/1000th of the time to limit a few small peaks allowing +3 dB gain, otherwise the whole mix would be -3 dB and there would be a few small instances of clipping adding high frequency content.

So limiting effects doesn't always make a lot of difference where synthesizers are designed with built-in effects. Unless the rule goes so far as to disallow use of any effects; even a built in chorus?

If anything perhaps "no presets" might be a good rule. Although this would make the focus more about the synthesizer itself rather than the preset banks available it would potentially also be a little unfair to those with less skill in this area. So it's all another trade-off that I think is handled well with the current "anything goes!" rule. Although authors should feel best creating totally unique presets this could eat up all your time with a synthesizer and you'd never get any melody composed.
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Is there a possibility of porting xhip to osx? or is the gui all done with win32 api?

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PM me about that or anything not OSC-related (this is the OSC thread!) The answer is: Yes, it's on the TODO as well as AU, Linux formats and so on.

My post was about limits on effects in OSC and that I think the current rules work well. I haven't heard any tracks using "too many" effects yet although I haven't listened to every OSC track ever made.
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It's pertinent to OSC, as there is a desire to have cross-platform synths available, it would greatly increase the chance it was selected.

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From that perspective: No, it isn't going to support OSX. I don't own an Apple PC and the way they've been taking things recently it seems the only option is used hardware. I also don't understand "objective C" which their 64-bit libraries force programmers to use and the available documentation is very poor. It would take me months of effort to learn and write a GUI port and many more to fix any resulting bugs; assuming I owned a mac.
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Props for refusing to support OSX. While I'm forced to use Macs occasionally for work (mostly for debugging web apps running on tablets, but also when traveling because they're so light; Bootcamp FTW!), that window manager drives me bonkers, and the new macbook hardware is just stupid. (Luckily my test macs are older) Personally, I need 4 USB ports, HDMI, etc... what's the point of a laptop without ample connectivity? Oh right, to sell high-margin accessories.

Maybe we should make the new limitation that Macs are banned. They have such ridiculously low latency that they're tantamount to cheating. Although, come to think of it, fighting that awkward WM is probably fair punishment. (To be fair, its mostly kinesthetic memory of PC keystrokes, either failing me when editing code or triggering OSX window manager tricks, that makes me want to defenestrate the mac every 30 min or so I work with it)

Swift might be worth learning, but Objective C seems like an inelegant half-measure of a language that should have gone the way of the dodo when NeXTSTEP did.

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I'm not sure if you're being serious or not... :) You know cases where someone says something sarcastic or as a satire that is so insane it isn't possible to be sure whether it was serious or not.

I don't agree though. I don't "refuse". It would be nice to have OSX support. If I could run OSX on a virtual machine I would be able to much more easily solve the issues I need to solve. Apple just makes it incredibly difficult, expensive, time consuming and frustrating to do any "real work" (office, programming, typing) using their hardware or software.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=osx

Unless they come out of their "let's produce hardware nobody wants at ten times the price!" slump I suspect by the time something like Xhip is ported, nobody will be using OSX anymore.
Free plug-ins for Windows, MacOS and Linux. Xhip Synthesizer v8.0 and Xhip Effects Bundle v6.7.
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https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... Fm%2F04r_8

Interestingly searches for OSX, windows and Linux are all declining.

Guess we live in the mobile device age now ;-)

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Naive. We do live in a mobile device age a bit... but you have to look at usage patterns. Who has devices? (e.g. not my kids!!!!) The most interesting thing to me is that Apple stuck with 2 separate OSes. The reason is completely solid: the use cases are completely different. Nonetheless, our kids will be incapable of doing anything but pressing screen buttons. It saddens me quite a bit.

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rghvdberg wrote:Interestingly searches for OSX, windows and Linux are all declining.

Guess we live in the mobile device age now ;-)
That argument is fallacious. Yes they've all declined but note that OSX has declined 57%, Linux 27% and Windows only 20%.

You also need to take into account many other factors. Note the burst of "How do I disable telemetry in Windows 10?" or "Disable forced Windows update" around mid 2015.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... c,Mac%20OS

Note the heavy correlation between variations on "I want to switch to an Apple PC."

What we're really interested in are queries like "How do I do X with Cocoa on OSX". Programmers who know google is a database will use something more like "redraw window osx cocoa".

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Cocoa%20API

Notice the correlation with other OSX-related terms.

The popularity of Macintosh computers did exactly the same thing in the past after a heavy marketing push ended when Steve Jobs went and did something else. In this case he went to either heaven, or hell depending on your perspective on him being a perfect example of certain cardinal sins.
Free plug-ins for Windows, MacOS and Linux. Xhip Synthesizer v8.0 and Xhip Effects Bundle v6.7.
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Talked to bjporter.
The voting site could be quite easily configured for a 1-10 range (as far as I understood).

Would that be satisfactory?

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^Sounds good to me. I would be happy even with 1-6, but 1-10 is way better.

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About the Google thing.
I was just assuming that the searches went down because the OS basically works for most people and further information about how to do things isn't that needed anymore.

If it just works, what's to google?

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rghvdberg wrote:Talked to bjporter.
The voting site could be quite easily configured for a 1-10 range (as far as I understood).

Would that be satisfactory?
As I said earlier I would personally really like to try this... but also I'm not sure there are enough people interested in trying this to make it worthwhile?? :neutral:

Thanks for looking into it and I would love to see a wave of interest so that we could give it a go :)

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zarf wrote:
rghvdberg wrote:Talked to bjporter.
The voting site could be quite easily configured for a 1-10 range (as far as I understood).

Would that be satisfactory?
As I said earlier I would personally really like to try this... but also I'm not sure there are enough people interested in trying this to make it worthwhile?? :neutral:

Thanks for looking into it and I would love to see a wave of interest so that we could give it a go :)
The interest is irrelevant, unless the new system is actually going to prevent people from voting, which I seriously doubt. People will still vote and we'll see every number from 10 right on down to 1 represented. Subsequently, we'll see a potential change in how tracks end up. More variance means results that are more accurate.

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