Pigments 3.5 vs Dune 3.5

[Teksonik]

Make your own mind up, but don’t poison potential customers by making crap up.

Exactly, like this.....

Dune has some kind of filtering in the upper frequencies which should prevent aliasing (but unfortunately leads to a bit of a tinny, "dampened" sound that I always notice when I try it).

Because we all know a roll off at a frequency only dogs can hear makes something sound "tinny".

Collins Dictionary: "If you describe a sound as tinny, you mean that it has an irritating, high-pitched quality".

DUNE 3 is the most lush sounding synth I've ever owned or played, hardware or software (based on hundreds of hours of use and not a demo I tried years ago) and to me it destroys Pigments in VA sounds although I don't make patches that use filter screeching akin to stepping on a cat's tail.

But seriously, these pointless "this versus that" and "what's your favorite" threads simply drag down the collective IQ of KVR. I would delete each and every one of them the second they were posted.

In this case DUNE 3 and Pigments 5 are both fantastic sounding synths and I enjoy owning both but they are different synths. Each can make sounds the other can't. It's like salt and pepper, both can enhance the flavor of food but they taste completely different. Which one the individual prefers is simply a matter of personal taste and not a consensus opinion.

Once again for the millionth time, demo demo demo and find out what you like and don't let anyone (including me) influence your decisions as we all have different tastes, styles, and make different sounds and music.

It's fine to discuss operations or programming tips but "what's your favorite" or "this versus that" threads are an utter and complete waste of time (yes I'm wasting my time now as well) and are nothing more than incubators for endless and pointless arguments.

Let's all go use these great plugins and stop derp derping about them. That's what I'm going to do right now. You'd be amazed how productive you can be when you put your efforts into playing instead of posting.

[Jac459]

Let's all go use these great plugins and stop derp derping about them. That's what I'm going to do right now. You'd be amazed how productive you can be when you put your efforts into playing instead of posting.

I agree with you in particular knowing that Phase Plant and Avenger 2 are both much better than Dune and Pigments.



(Kidding).




For your info I mostly go to KVR when I am doing music to rest my ears. So KVR and these kind of bullshit discussions are in fact good for my ears. But I would be happier discussing tips for sure...

[Gam456]

Of course. Try it yourself. Take a sawtooth on oscillator 1 using the analog wave shapes and filter it with any filter. I used the 24 db transistor at half way. Then, take oscillator 2 and tune it down an octave and use it as a mod source for the filter. Play high notes.

Are you sure that it isn't saturation added by the filter? People tend to confuse that with aliasing, see Massive X.

Also there are quality settings in Dune 3 which differs alot in FM mode from setting to setting.

Yes It's the modulation at audio rate, as I already mentioned

[Vortifex]

Dune 3 has some serious wizardry going on in the CPU optimisation department. It's actually ridiculous.

[chk071]

Make your own mind up, but don’t poison potential customers by making crap up.

Exactly, like this.....

Dune has some kind of filtering in the upper frequencies which should prevent aliasing (but unfortunately leads to a bit of a tinny, "dampened" sound that I always notice when I try it).

Because we all know a roll off at a frequency only dogs can hear makes something sound "tinny".

You know what? I knew exactly that this would come from you. Captain Obvious.

And, if you could read frequency spectograms, you would see that the roll off begins way before 20 kHz.

[fisherKing]

If I do a simple Google match with 2 latest versions of these synths:

"Dune 3.6' : 1.380 results
"Pigments 5" : 154,000 results.

Even if not absolutely reliable it still gives an idea....

perhaps 'dune 3' would be the search equivalent of 'pigments 5'...?? (as opposed to '3.6')...


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That's funny you take this condescending tone to explain me.

Well, I don't know how to say it politely to you but if you don't put " " in your search, google use a 'OR' instead of a 'AND' for the search criteria.

So basically, I advise you to search Dune 3 Taylor Swift, you will get 31 millions results and you will be happy.

google works for me, as it always does. but trying a different approach, i get this:

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anyway.... no one knows sales figures for either plugin, and both have fans/detractors (or people who love or hate both). and no harm meant

[martinjuenke]

I prefer Massive X.
Far better sounding than these mediocre synths.

[fisherKing]

I prefer Massive X.
Far better sounding than these mediocre synths.

all of this stuff is, as always, subjective.

i use dune 3 a lot, MX sometimes, pigments never (why i sold it). we don't all make the same type of or sounding music, so it's great we have so many tools to choose from

[Lbdunequest]

Dune guys with search arguments, you are arguing about something that is so pointless you look all ridiculous

[chk071]

"Is Dune 3 a good VST?"

Maybe I should use Google more frequently to make up my mind too. Would save me minutes of consideration.

[fisherKing]

google? who needs google?

i make all my plugin (and life) decisions based on kvr forum posts...

[chk071]

I'm sure that a lot of such searches lead right to respective threads on this site.

[Jac459]

Dune guys with search arguments, you are arguing about something that is so pointless you look all ridiculous

It is a great movie though.

[zerocrossing]

The FM between oscillators is in the oscillator section itself, and if you want to do filter FM, you have to select one of the audio engines in the filter mod slot (not all filter models have this option), so you lose keyboard tracking, but you can then just put it back using the modulation system.

I see. It's limited and not flexible as Dune or Spire

Of course. Try it yourself. Take a sawtooth on oscillator 1 using the analog wave shapes and filter it with any filter. I used the 24 db transistor at half way. Then, take oscillator 2 and tune it down an octave and use it as a mod source for the filter. Play high notes.

I do not have aliasing. Typically I always reset the phase and use a sine.

Oh, you don't have aliasing when you use a waveform that's got no overtones? Do tell!

[zerocrossing]

I prefer Massive X.
Far better sounding than these mediocre synths.

Debatable, but definitely better at some things. The cost for that is a UI that should be forced to walk the plank in shark infested waters. Also, way to go Native Instruments, releasing a new series of polyphonic aftertouch MIDI controllers and then not bothering to make almost any of your software understand it.