Zebra 3 and Zebra Legacy

[mabian]

The process is not convoluted at all, I’ve laid out the process below in less words for those who are lazy (no judgement)

Zebra 2 owners -> gets dark zebra (Zebrahz) including sounds for free on 15th. 30euro upgrade path to zebra 3.

Dark zebra (Zebrahz) owners -> gets zebra 3 for free.

No zebra currently? -> purchase one of the above 2 options or wait for the 15th November where you can get “zebra legacy” - aka zebra 2 & dark zebra for 99euro or whatever the cheaper price will be - but you will have to buy zebra 3 at full price when it arrives

Basically if you don’t care about zebra 3 wait until the 15th for zebra legacy

If you care about zebra 3 - buy only zebra 2 before the 15th

If you own zebra 2 or dark zebra currently, there’s nothing to do - congratulations

Can somebody pin this message? It's even clearer than urs original statement (that was not so bad )

Edit... Last case is about having Zebra "AND" TDZ, not "or".

[faultyline]

I am not trying to be nasty but since when have people stopped to read?

There is something I can't find in that thread, and I read it more than once. But if you can enlighten me, feel free to hint me to that post I must clearly have overlooked.

I see the same question being asked multiple times per page and has been answered multiple times by Urs and the other lovely human beings on KVR as clear as possibly can, one just needs to move your finger to scroll a little bit, spend one minute to read and you have your question answered.

Thing is... now that the cat is out of the bag still offering TDZ for 99EUR sounds like a rip off during the next 2 weeks. Buying it at that price does not make any sense to me, offering it for that price doesn't either. It's only two weeks now, so I would ask no questions if TDZ would either not be sold anymore during that time or would be discounted to 30EUR because what you get for that amount is exactly the same you will get after that given date (if you own Z2). The only explanation would be there is something worth spending 69EUR more right now, otherwise Urs could just reply with "No, there is no single reason buying TDZ now if you own Z2 already. Period."

He’s literally said the best way is to get zebra 2, you just have to do a bit of reading..

[kylie]

I'm perfectly aware that this is my very own opinion but if the only reasonable thing to buy during the next two weeks is Z2 and only Z2 (if you're after Z3 for a bargain later) it should be the only Zebra-related thing in the shop to buy right now.

There is no other question after reading all your friendly explanations again and again. Maybe I did not make clear enough that I already own Z2 and already know I will have TDZ soon enough anyway. On the other hand... I literally said I'm a Z2 owner already, you just have to do a bit of reading..

All I read was:

"If you're after TDZ only you'll get it for free after Nov 15th." That's great, and more than generous, no doubt. I'm most probably gonna take this route.

All I asked was:

"If I would buy TDZ right now, would there be any benefit beside saving 30EUR for a Z3 upgrade?" If there was a benefit - name it. If there's none - confirm it (or have it taken off the shop temporarily).

I have no problem paying for TDZ as it is right now if there was something that justifies triple the price for the Z3 upgrade. Giving people a timeframe to decide if they would like to have a smooth path to Z3 by buying Z2 right now is a totally valid plan. Selling any expansions during that timeframe which Z2 owners prior to Nov 15th will get anyway is not. Got my point? If not, feel free to re-read it, and if you found an answer for that, just tell me.

[carrieres]

The process is not convoluted at all, I’ve laid out the process below in less words for those who are lazy (no judgement)

Zebra 2 owners -> gets dark zebra (Zebrahz) including sounds for free on 15th. 30euro upgrade path to zebra 3.

Dark zebra (Zebrahz) owners -> gets zebra 3 for free.

No zebra currently? -> purchase one of the above 2 options or wait for the 15th November where you can get “zebra legacy” - aka zebra 2 & dark zebra for 99euro or whatever the cheaper price will be - but you will have to buy zebra 3 at full price when it arrives

Basically if you don’t care about zebra 3 wait until the 15th for zebra legacy

If you care about zebra 3 - buy only zebra 2 before the 15th

If you own zebra 2 or dark zebra currently, there’s nothing to do - congratulations

thanks, it is simpler to understand.
imho, people are struggling not because it is convoluted but because it is weird.
- It is not a small update and it is free for previous owner, weird !
- There is no upgrade price if you buy zebra legacy, weird, why not ?
it could allow to buy zebra3 with two payments 99€ for legacy + 99€ for Zebra3 upgrade whenever you can

[praashek]

Will Zebra Legacy have something what Zebra 2 does not have? To be honest I just mean only more comfortable sequencer, like the one in Neumann skin - https://plugmon.jp/product/neumann/ :]
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or Massive Modular one
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[AcrossTheSky]

The process is not convoluted at all, I’ve laid out the process below in less words for those who are lazy (no judgement)

Zebra 2 owners -> gets dark zebra (Zebrahz) including sounds for free on 15th. 30euro upgrade path to zebra 3.

Dark zebra (Zebrahz) owners -> gets zebra 3 for free.

No zebra currently? -> purchase one of the above 2 options or wait for the 15th November where you can get “zebra legacy” - aka zebra 2 & dark zebra for 99euro or whatever the cheaper price will be - but you will have to buy zebra 3 at full price when it arrives

Basically if you don’t care about zebra 3 wait until the 15th for zebra legacy

If you care about zebra 3 - buy only zebra 2 before the 15th

If you own zebra 2 or dark zebra currently, there’s nothing to do - congratulations

thanks, it is simpler to understand.
imho, people are struggling not because it is convoluted but because it is weird.
- It is not a small update and it is free for previous owner, weird !
- There is no upgrade price if you buy zebra legacy, weird, why not ?
it could allow to buy zebra3 with two payments 99€ for legacy + 99€ for Zebra3 upgrade whenever you can

...nothing is weird ... it is a very smart move..the whole idea..
As many said Z3 is a (rework) new synth - new possibilities sound design wise await, new future soundbanks etc - with different protection as well..
old Zebra 2 and Z2HZ is great and why not allow anyone who is interested - have it for nice low price - especially with all the soundbanks included.

,,, the interesting thing is - only 12 days left for anyone who has no Zebra to decide to have
it all - as it's best for a new user to grab Zebra2 before the 15th & have the option to upgrade.
So basically new users are now paying for the free upgrade to Z3 for existing users & will have to pay anyway to have Z3 later if they decide to - and I'm 99% sure that they will..

..and why not have two products for sale instead of one .. and if legacy sales will be poor - it may even go for less ...25 % - 50% (sales) who knows ...ohh guess what ... maybe for free with the bitwig 12m upgrade ...

[kylie]

it could allow to buy zebra3 with two payments 99€ for legacy + 99€ for Zebra3 upgrade whenever you can

That's wrong. While Zebra Legacy will be 99€ (which is crazy anyway) Urs always stated there will be no upgrade from Zebra Legacy after Nov 15 (the day after you will be able to buy Zebra Legacy for 99€). The only upgrade path to Z3 is having Z2 right now or before Nov 15, which is significantly more than 99€, and if you own Z2 and TDZ the upgrade is even free (30€ for owners of Z2 only). I would expect Z3 with a price tag around the current price of Z2 plus TDZ - or Z2 plus at least the upgrade fee for current Z2 owners (30€) if you're lucky. As far as I understand the final price of Z3 for new customers has not been decided upon yet.

[vurt]

Will Zebra Legacy have something what Zebra 2 does not have? To be honest I just mean only more comfortable sequencer, like the one in Neumann skin - https://plugmon.jp/product/neumann/ :]
...
or Massive Modular one
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its not a new zebra, its a bundle of the current zebra build and the sound sets, compiling all the zebra legacy in one sale.
not a new version of zebra.

[praashek]

its not a new zebra, its a bundle of the current zebra build and the sound sets, compiling all the zebra legacy in one sale.
not a new version of zebra.

I know that, but You never know if there could be some "last tweak" as an "goodbye" gesture.

By the way - talking about this; Is there a simple way to just achieve this gui modification of sequencer without buying one of the two skins mentioned by me above? I really dont want the whole "overhaul", I only want the modified sequencer.

[Urs]

@Kylie: I see what you mean, but what you say is (hopefully) also obvious to anyone. Thing is, we have communicated this concept for over half a year, escalated it with more announcements a few months ago as "Legacy Day" came closer and closer. We have done so because we understand the feeling of people who have invested in something a day or two before the price was cut in half or quarters, or similar. We like to avoid frustration, and we do this by being open about our plans.

There is no immediate reason for us to take things out of the shop or make them cheaper right now. Our focus is November 15th. People have all the information they need and they can make up their minds. If they need it, they can get it. If not then not

The alternative is saying nothing and just doing it on day X. But that is not how I like to do these things.

[kylie]

Urs, thanks for your clarification. I guess you don't expect either the Spanish Inqusition or a vast number of customers that would accidentially decide to buy TDZ just now right before getting it for free anyway. Yes, you started communicating this long ago, at least here on KVR, and maybe I do overrate the number of people not heaving heard of this before, but then, I don't know what you did outside KVR because I'm not into social media stuff. Maybe you're right - and everyone out there is perfectly aware. (Maybe) Exactly because it is not how I like to do these things I expected to see a hint like "You can buy this right now, if you need it right now, but if you can wait for another two weeks I would not do this if I were you". If this is a wrong assumption then it is my fault, not yours

It's all fine. I can wait. 69€ can get me a lot of coffee and booze to bypass a fortnight.

[spacepluk]

The email I received was pretty clear I think

[kylie]

There is no immediate reason for us to take things out of the shop or make them cheaper right now.

If I had the option to buy TDZ for the announced 30€ that would grant me exactly the same options as buying the upgrade later it would be an instabuy for me. Technically it would be some kinda credit for you until you can release Z3. Money you can work with right now - not money you will get probably or probably not later. Just saying...

[Etienne1973]

@Kylie

I think it's very fair pricing for everyone.

10 years ago I've purchased Zebra 2 for 199€. On November 15 I'll get Zebra Legacy for free and later Zebra 3 for 30€.

So I supported u-he Zebra development with 229€ alone. Plus I've bought 2 u-he distributed Zebra 2 soundsets for 91€.

Now if someone buys Zebra 2 + The Dark Zebra both for 298€ then that person pays less for the same.

Perfect.

[LFO8]

Edit; nvm too off-topic