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pitchdrifter · Post by **pitchdrifter** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:38 am

Shogger could you please re-link the virus example? Having a little trouble figuring out what you're comparing things to. And what's firebird?

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:00 am

Shogger,

you started this heh heh but 29 pages of arps is getting pretty hard to navigate. Would you consider taking all the arps to the initial thread and edit it in a neat way and perhaps set it up like this:

Link to the original arp by Manuel

Link to the MIDI file

and then:

Synth name Creator link

/Michael

shogger · Post by **shogger** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:07 am

mkastrup wrote:Shogger, you started this heh heh but 29 pages of arps is getting pretty hard to navigate. Would you consider taking all the arps to the initial thread and edit it in a neat way and perhaps set it up like this:

Link to the original arp by Manuel

Link to the MIDI file

and then:

Synth name Creator link

/Michael

OK Michael,

since this topic is fun I'll do that. Gimme a few errrrr... minutes.

Shogger

pschelfh · Post by **pschelfh** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:22 am

Howard wrote:
pschelfh wrote:Trance Arp 1
Trance Arp 2
Trance Arp 3
First uses the Exciter filter, second the Middrive filter and the third uses the XMF-filter = lots of balls ! Peter.
Hwy Peter - could you re-record those last two and let the Cutoff close more (now and again)? They're too full-on to tell...

Yeah, I know, I've drawn the modwheel data in Cubase and I left it full open for too long. I will try to re-do them this week.

Peter.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:58 am

I *never ever* thought about contributing to any such a thread. I mean, I'm a synth-idiot, nothing else. Anyways, I slapped the MIDI file onto something and rendered it down. Three versions of it.
All too bright, the latter two also being rather harsh/bright (even the first one, so, all of them are too harsh - yes, I'm a great synth programmer), then, the files certainly aren't "hyper-sawing" enough (maybe due to the lack of OSCs?), the attack (which, in the original, seems to be modulated to my ears - could've done so, but been too lazy) is way too strong as well - but anyways, here goes:
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/temp/LameOldArp.mp3
And no, I'm not trying to get any Virus sound simulated - I don't even have a clue about what a Virus sounds like. The only thing I tried was to get a sound that'd probably work "in context". And hey, maybe none of them does. As said, I'm no synth-dude (nor a tarnce musician), just a guitar player playing some blues licks.

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:12 am

pschelfh wrote:
Howard wrote:
pschelfh wrote:Trance Arp 1
Trance Arp 2
Trance Arp 3
First uses the Exciter filter, second the Middrive filter and the third uses the XMF-filter = lots of balls ! Peter.
Hwy Peter - could you re-record those last two and let the Cutoff close more (now and again)? They're too full-on to tell...
Yeah, I know, I've drawn the modwheel data in Cubase and I left it full open for too long. I will try to re-do them this week.

Peter.

Sounds good, but you gotta lose the lower octave, the original sound did not use an oscillator tuned one octave lower.

This will help a lot with comparison

Fots

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:15 am

Sorry, I've missed a day or two... has anyone already rendered the Virus dry with the original Vengence patch?

pitchdrifter · Post by **pitchdrifter** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:25 am

If you tell me what the name of the patch is, and if a Virus B is enough I'll render it. Just don't want to go through 29 pages to figure out what the "original sound" is

pschelfh · Post by **pschelfh** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:29 am

Urs wrote:Sorry, I've missed a day or two... has anyone already rendered the Virus dry with the original Vengence patch?

I'm going to try to find that patch. It should be somewhere in the TranceSourceX bank from Manuel Schleis.

If someone knows the name, that would be helpful !

Peter.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:32 am

pschelfh wrote:
Urs wrote:Sorry, I've missed a day or two... has anyone already rendered the Virus dry with the original Vengence patch?
I'm going to try to find that patch. It should be somewhere in the TranceSourceX bank from Manuel Schleis.

If someone knows the name, that would be helpful !

It's the third sound in the "Incubation 2" demo song... so maybe it's not in TranceSourceX...

Urs

nix808 · Post by **nix808** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:48 am

psylevation wrote:Glad you figured it out

Thanks for your concern Psylevation,
Best regards, nix

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:06 am

There are tons of wicked sounds on Incubation v2. Some of the basses are particularly interesting. I couldn't even get CLOSE to replicating the basses, like, even if I slapped on all the processing in the world, not even remotely close.

The sound demo is here...
http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.ve ... chleis.mp3

Check out the following times...

0:38 - the main arp everyone is talking about
2:15 - one of the hardest leads I've ever heard, again no chance I could even replicate half the sound on this one
2:34 / 3:10 / 3:21 - the wicked bass sounds These are substantially harder to produce than the arp above, try it! Use as many effects as you want!

Cheers
Fots

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:36 am

pschelfh wrote:
Howard wrote:
pschelfh wrote:Trance Arp 1
Trance Arp 2
Trance Arp 3
First uses the Exciter filter, second the Middrive filter and the third uses the XMF-filter = lots of balls ! Peter.
Hwy Peter - could you re-record those last two and let the Cutoff close more (now and again)? They're too full-on to tell...
Yeah, I know, I've drawn the modwheel data in Cubase and I left it full open for too long. I will try to re-do them this week.

Peter.

Can you try like I suggested? It sound closer to the original that way with modulating the resonance filter with a sine LFO. Least that's what it sounds like to me.

Devon

pitchdrifter · Post by **pitchdrifter** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:37 am

Keep in mind that those demos may contain production work, and may not be naked patch demos. I own a few of those soundsets, and was doing a few tests to recreate the sound of the demos Manuel showcases on his site. The particular one I tried was the V-Station and the Club4K soundset he programmed for it. There was compression, reverb and effect automation all over the place as well as a multiband limiter & exciter.
So I do believe it's pretty pointless trying to re-create a patch, while comparing it to a processed demo tune.

2 cents

pschelfh · Post by **pschelfh** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:46 am

DevonB wrote:
pschelfh wrote:
Howard wrote:
pschelfh wrote:Trance Arp 1
Trance Arp 2
Trance Arp 3
First uses the Exciter filter, second the Middrive filter and the third uses the XMF-filter = lots of balls ! Peter.
Hwy Peter - could you re-record those last two and let the Cutoff close more (now and again)? They're too full-on to tell...
Yeah, I know, I've drawn the modwheel data in Cubase and I left it full open for too long. I will try to re-do them this week.

Peter.
Can you try like I suggested? It sound closer to the original that way with modulating the resonance filter with a sine LFO. Least that's what it sounds like to me.

Devon

Yep, I think the original was like that, because there was no modwheel data in the midi file.

Now that I know where to look for the original patch, I should be able to match it more closely.

Peter.

The "Zebra2 plays Virus" challenge