Klanghelm DC1A 2 (free) released & DC8C updated to V 2.1

[V'ger]

Great, thanks for the updates.

[thecontrolcentre]

I get an error message when I try to log in using the account details I was sent.

just pm'ed you a new password.

Tony

Nice one. That sorted things out. Thanks.

[3ee]

feature suggestion:

Many times, I find myself using the easy modes but when I switch to the expert mode to make a couple of extra changes, all of the parameters except the main ones change.

Would be very cool if for example right-clicking or something on the easy/exp would switch but keeping the current easy mode "custom" expert controls.

That way, if we get something sounding right with an easy mode and just want to finetune our compressor setting a bit, we can easily do so.

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also, is there any plans for mid-side compression mode?

[A.M. Gold]

Thanks, Tony, these are nice updates. I own DC8C2 but the sound is noticeably improved in the free version now, IMO, so I think I will be using it as a simplified version of the full plug-in on some projects. The one thing that might push it farther into the area of full functionality would be the addition of a small wet/dry knob.

[Tp3]

feature suggestion:

Many times, I find myself using the easy modes but when I switch to the expert mode to make a couple of extra changes, all of the parameters except the main ones change.

Would be very cool if for example right-clicking or something on the easy/exp would switch but keeping the current easy mode "custom" expert controls.

That, IMO, is DC8C's problem :

When you switch to expert mode, you are not "expanding" the control set, you are literally switching to ANOTHER compressor. Tony said it before.

It changes the sound, it changes the control layout. imo, it is very, very confusing. might as well just write two separate dlls or give the users a warning that they should be aware of it.

[A.M. Gold]

I understand the critique here but I'm not really bothered by the "two compressor" design he implemented. It just gives you two different platforms to work with. The problem arises if people don't realize they can't go to expert mode from easy mode and refine their settings.

[Tp3]

I understand the critique here but I'm not really bothered by the "two compressor" design he implemented. It just gives you two different platforms to work with. The problem arises if people don't realize they can't go to expert mode from easy mode and refine their settings.

Then you are bothered by the EXACT same thing I wrote... (hint: it's NOT the "two compressor design"...)

[A.M. Gold]

I understand the critique here but I'm not really bothered by the "two compressor" design he implemented. It just gives you two different platforms to work with. The problem arises if people don't realize they can't go to expert mode from easy mode and refine their settings.

Then you are bothered by the EXACT same thing I wrote... (hint: it's NOT the "two compressor design"...)

I'm not bothered by it. But I understand why some other people might be.

I agree maybe he should make it clearer what the situation is.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[3ee]

No separate dlls, thanks!

The easy-expert mode switching while keeping all settings feature is so important to me that I would happily pay for it!

I didn't know that this subject was discussed before but I put aside some DC8C threads to check out.

I don't know the gravity of the situation in "fixing" such a thing but I guess the complication might come in when wanting to switch back from expert to easy mode.

(if that's the case, simple fix --- just warn the user it will loose his extra settings if doing that) ...In most cases I guess everyone would want to only switch from easy to expert to make some extra changes.

[tonhelm]

Here's my answer from the other thread:

the four easy modes are not exactly reproducable in expert mode. to make these four modes coherent and also stand on their own feet soundwise I had to tweak some things under the hood which are not accessable even in expert mode.
For example: in expert mode the program dependency is only valid for attack and release times. In SNAP mode also the RMS and PRE ATTACK are program dependent to a certain extent. In Punch mode the transition from attack phase to release phase is handled differently to the expert mode. So when switching from Expert to Easy mode or vice versa you'll besically switching to another compressor. the parameters you adjusted in easy mode will stay the same when switching to expert mode, but the "under the hood" parameters will change to the values which you left in expert mode.

I'd like to avoid separating DC8C into two plugins. Not only because of backwards compatibility. I know, that a lot of users would complain about this. It's always very tricky to make fundamental changes in a plugin after it's been released.

Tony

[MyOpe]

Thanks for the marvelous update The GUI is just beautiful

One thing that I find a bit confusing is the placement of wet/dry control in internal signal routing of dc8c. Because its before the output makeup gain, one have to adjust mix and compensate the output at the same time. That is why I have to use DAWs external wet/dry on plugin wrapper/mixer etc.

[Tp3]

Here's my answer from the other thread:

the four easy modes are not exactly reproducable in expert mode. to make these four modes coherent and also stand on their own feet soundwise I had to tweak some things under the hood which are not accessable even in expert mode.
For example: in expert mode the program dependency is only valid for attack and release times. In SNAP mode also the RMS and PRE ATTACK are program dependent to a certain extent. In Punch mode the transition from attack phase to release phase is handled differently to the expert mode. So when switching from Expert to Easy mode or vice versa you'll besically switching to another compressor. the parameters you adjusted in easy mode will stay the same when switching to expert mode, but the "under the hood" parameters will change to the values which you left in expert mode.

I'd like to avoid separating DC8C into two plugins. Not only because of backwards compatibility. I know, that a lot of users would complain about this. It's always very tricky to make fundamental changes in a plugin after it's been released.

Tony

In that case, there should be a warning box, notifying the user the not all controls values are retained and the sound CHANGES.

Otherwise, its a recipe for a deep frustration... (especially when you are used to working fast)

[Hermetech Mastering]

Great update, thank you Tony!

[3ee]

Here's my answer from the other thread:

the four easy modes are not exactly reproducable in expert mode. to make these four modes coherent and also stand on their own feet soundwise I had to tweak some things under the hood which are not accessable even in expert mode.
For example: in expert mode the program dependency is only valid for attack and release times. In SNAP mode also the RMS and PRE ATTACK are program dependent to a certain extent. In Punch mode the transition from attack phase to release phase is handled differently to the expert mode. So when switching from Expert to Easy mode or vice versa you'll besically switching to another compressor. the parameters you adjusted in easy mode will stay the same when switching to expert mode, but the "under the hood" parameters will change to the values which you left in expert mode.

I'd like to avoid separating DC8C into two plugins. Not only because of backwards compatibility. I know, that a lot of users would complain about this. It's always very tricky to make fundamental changes in a plugin after it's been released.

Tony

In that case, there should be a warning box, notifying the user the not all controls values are retained and the sound CHANGES.

Otherwise, its a recipe for a deep frustration... (especially when you are used to working fast)

..or... get as many of the same parameters to change along! and warn user that some parameters weren't able to "adapt" or something. ..I guess I'm pushing my luck I'll stop now... anyway, thanks Tony for the explanation and for the update!