Ableton Live 11

[SLiC]

Live added Comping and MPE- NOTHING will surprise me now

So Tassman 5 would not surprise you?

+ Reason GUI going Hi Dpi...I'm telling you, anything can happen !

Have you tried the tempo follow in Live 11 beta?

Yes, I had a quick go I tried a Mike (clapping) and a Guitar and I have to see in my experience it didn't work at all! The tempo was 'wandering' a little bit, but I was going from about 120 BPM to 60BPM to see how it transitioned and what the lag was...but it didn't change dramatically, just stayed around 115-120 BPM.

It wasn't a very scientific experiment- I will try again over the weekend with a known tempo source from one of my drum machines- but the singing/playing guitar in didn't seem to do it for me....maybe it only syncs with a recognisable drum beat?

[ReleaseCandidate]

Live added Comping and MPE- NOTHING will surprise me now

So Tassman 5 would not surprise you?

+ Reason GUI going Hi Dpi...I'm telling you, anything can happen !

Have you tried the tempo follow in Live 11 beta?

Yes, I had a quick go I tried a Mike (clapping) and a Guitar and I have to see in my experience it didn't work at all! The tempo was 'wandering' a little bit, but I was going from about 120 BPM to 60BPM to see how it transitioned and what the lag was...but it didn't change dramatically, just stayed around 115-120 BPM.

Just tried it, when you set the set's tempo to 120, it changed the tempo between 120 and 110.69 for me. As tempo automation in the master track. That feature is to adjust to errors of your bandmates or your sloppy playing, not to change the 'real' tempo of the song. Even if Ableton tells you something else

Especially it can't possible detect (well Live could, but that would actually be an error) a change from 120 to 60, that would've been 'half time', not a real tempo change.

[paradiddle]

I did some experiments also with that. I don't think it's good when the tempo wavers too much or drastically but I've clapped with my hands and slowly speeding up or down and it was following. I've also put an iphone playing a drum beat with funk box and it was guessing the tempo pretty spot on no matter what tempo I put it in. Might be interesting for devices that don't have ableton link like old drum machines.

It's not perfect though cuz I've managed to slow it down to 62 bpm and after that when I clapped twice as fast, it was just guessing the tempo but half-time. I'm guessing they will fine tune this.

[SLiC]

So are we saying you have to set the tempo pretty close to the original tempo and then it will track changes? Has anyone seen it jump more than 10bpm? If Live tempo was set at 120 and you play in a drum at 80bpm is it picking it up for you? (It wasn’t was my guitar as an input)

[pdxindy]

Thanks for the feedback on the tempo mapping everyone.

It took a while for Apple to get it working pretty good in Logic. It can never be flawless obviously.

[ReleaseCandidate]

Played a single framedrum, straight quarter notes.
Now I could change the tempo between 108 to 139, starting with 120.
Second run I started at 139 and could get Live up to 170, but not drop below 140, Live always interprets the slower tempo as longer notes (longer breaks).
So more or less max. 20% variation in the tempo.

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[paradiddle]

Live listens to incoming tempo even if it's stop or running. I only did this through my macbook's onboard microphone so far with closed studio headphones.

So what I did was clap, it identified the tempo then I started live with a click track playing in my headphones. Then I pretty much slowed down or speed up in small increment (like a drummer that would drag or push) and live was following but when I hit around 62 bpm, I clapped like twice as fast and it was still following but instead of going around 124 bpm, it was following around the 62 bpm area while I was pushing and pulling intentionally.

I also tried like I said with funkbox on iphone playing a funky rhythm. I had the speaker's of the iphone next to the microphone of the macbook. It was detecting the beat quite good. Only the decimals in the bpm (125.xx) where slightly different.

Next thing I'm gonna try is with a microphone on my drumset and see how good it works.

Right now I'm guessing that if you would have to sync with an already playing drummer, you would tap the tempo while he's playing and then let live do it's thing after the 4 bar count.

Anyway, seems this feature is quite early in the testing phase. It will probably take a while before it's polished.

So are we saying you have to set the tempo pretty close to the original tempo and then it will track changes? Has anyone seen it jump more than 10bpm? If Live tempo was set at 120 and you play in a drum at 80bpm is it picking it up for you? (It wasn’t was my guitar as an input)

[JoeCat]

They didn't make operator. It's an ableton made synth but the concept by Robert Henke 'monolake'. You probably meant Analog.

I understand the AAS stuff not getting updated for mpe, but they made operator, it was their flagship forever. Weird omission.

No I meant operator. The engine was coded at Ableton itself, even if the concept came from a henke synth (from MaxMSP maybe like all of Live came from his concepts in MaxMSP). Analog is AAS ultra analog wrapped in an Ableton device.

The Cytomic filters made Operator the better "analog" synth, IMHO. The ability to layer fixed-phase and free running oscillators takes it another a step beyond a lot of analog emulations. It's a shame it doesn't get an update with just a few more features - filter bypass, a second lfo. etc.

Also, the single "Time" parameter is a great feature all synths should have.

[Stan Navi]

Those who are eligible to upgrade to Live 11 for free. Do you have this info somewhere in your account?

[ReleaseCandidate]

Those who are eligible to upgrade to Live 11 for free. Do you have this info somewhere in your account?

Jes. You get a special text box saying that in your account and when you're going to the shop site it tells you that you'll receive 11 soon instead of a price.
Or to rephrase: you can't preorder 11 if you're going to get it for free

[Stan Navi]

Those who are eligible to upgrade to Live 11 for free. Do you have this info somewhere in your account?

Jes. You get a special text box saying that in your account and when you're going to the shop site it tells you that you'll receive 11 soon instead of a price.
Or to rephrase: you can't preorder 11 if you're going to get it for free

Thanks!

[.jon]

I wouldn't use Pedal, Amp and Cabinet on guitar personally,. but they are OK for dirtying up synths and loops
The AAS suite is pretty nice (and just got a face lift) - obviously they sound like the AAS synths (I think you can demo those?)
Wavetable Synth is OK, nothing special (although they just added MPE control) but it does the job. The sampler is great for real sounds and you get a lot of sample content with suite.
The packs are very high quality, this is where the real magic is (racks of Live stuff put together with fx and macros), looks like some good stuff coming with 11 (spitfire audio etc)enough HQ stuff to keep anyone busy for many, many years without an external VST!

The main thing for me (I had suite 10) is that '11' is so much better in so many ways than 10. If you like using Live it is an essential update in my opinion, and suite offers a hell of a lot of stuff for the money.

Thanks, I've decided to get the Suite

[SLiC]

I wouldn't use Pedal, Amp and Cabinet on guitar personally,. but they are OK for dirtying up synths and loops
The AAS suite is pretty nice (and just got a face lift) - obviously they sound like the AAS synths (I think you can demo those?)
Wavetable Synth is OK, nothing special (although they just added MPE control) but it does the job. The sampler is great for real sounds and you get a lot of sample content with suite.
The packs are very high quality, this is where the real magic is (racks of Live stuff put together with fx and macros), looks like some good stuff coming with 11 (spitfire audio etc)enough HQ stuff to keep anyone busy for many, many years without an external VST!

The main thing for me (I had suite 10) is that '11' is so much better in so many ways than 10. If you like using Live it is an essential update in my opinion, and suite offers a hell of a lot of stuff for the money.

Thanks, I've decided to get the Suite

Congratulations, I don't think you will be disappointed with that upgrade

[Echoes in the Attic]

After the MPE announcement with 11, I've taken another look. I left Live when Bitwig came out, but do miss some things. I was giving the demo a go and one thing I just can't come to grips with, coming back from Bitwig, is the fact that whenever you map a macro or any modulation device, like the envelope, it locks the target parameter. That is so incredibly annoying. I'm not sure I could get past that. However with the new macro rack snapshots as well as some other macro devices and things like Kapture, it does seem like there are great tools to reset parameters to saved states, which is something very useful that's missing in Bitwig.

There are Max for Live devices that allow you to map macros to parameters on other tracks right? So you could have a group track with several instrument tracks within it that have parameters mapped to macros on the group track?

[Rivanni]

There are Max for Live devices that allow you to map macros to parameters on other tracks right? So you could have a group track with several instrument tracks within it that have parameters mapped to macros on the group track?

Yes.