T-RackS 5 (5.0.1 update,information about free CS version, release date countdown added)

[evilantal]

I don't have a specific release date at this time, but I just added T-RackS 5 CS (free) information on the T-RackS 5 FAQ.

Thanks Peter,
That's the information I've been waiting for.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I don't have a specific release date at this time, but I just added T-RackS 5 CS (free) information on the T-RackS 5 FAQ.

From the FAQ:

Project sample rate 44.1-48kHz

Are you saying my existing T-Racks plugins/modules will only work in 44.1kHz to 48khz projects in my DAW? That'd be a big downgrade if so.

Or is it saying T-Racks CS will only internally assemble "projects" at 44.1khz and 48khz, but that's got nothing to do with how any paid modules will operate?

[SJ_Digriz]

Or is it saying T-Racks CS will only internally assemble "projects" at 44.1khz and 48khz, but that's got nothing to do with how any paid modules will operate?

I'm going to guess because it seems pretty obvious to me ... the answer is "only if you use the T5 CS". If you use individual T4 plugs that you already own, they will continue to work as they always did.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Or is it saying T-Racks CS will only internally assemble "projects" at 44.1khz and 48khz, but that's got nothing to do with how any paid modules will operate?

I'm going to guess because it seems pretty obvious to me ... the answer is "only if you use the T5 CS". If you use individual T4 plugs that you already own, they will continue to work as they always did.

That's what I was thinking too, but just looking for clarification.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

I don't have a specific release date at this time, but I just added T-RackS 5 CS (free) information on the T-RackS 5 FAQ.

From the FAQ:

Project sample rate 44.1-48kHz

Are you saying my existing T-Racks plugins/modules will only work in 44.1kHz to 48khz projects in my DAW? That'd be a big downgrade if so.

Or is it saying T-Racks CS will only internally assemble "projects" at 44.1khz and 48khz, but that's got nothing to do with how any paid modules will operate?

This is in context of T-RackS 5 Standalone projects.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I don't have a specific release date at this time, but I just added T-RackS 5 CS (free) information on the T-RackS 5 FAQ.

From the FAQ:

Project sample rate 44.1-48kHz

Are you saying my existing T-Racks plugins/modules will only work in 44.1kHz to 48khz projects in my DAW? That'd be a big downgrade if so.

Or is it saying T-Racks CS will only internally assemble "projects" at 44.1khz and 48khz, but that's got nothing to do with how any paid modules will operate?

This is in context of T-RackS 5 Standalone projects.

Makes sense. Thanks!

[paterpeter]

Thanks for the info about the free version. So basically, someone who only uses single modules (not the shell nor standalone) and is not interested in the new modules, doesn't miss much by not going the paid upgrade route, right?

I've never been a big fan of those rack-like plugins, anyway, as I like to mix and match plugins from different vendors according to my needs.

[evilantal]

Thanks for the info about the free version. So basically, someone who only uses single modules (not the shell nor standalone) and is not interested in the new modules, doesn't miss much by not going the paid upgrade route, right?

I've never been a big fan of those rack-like plugins, anyway, as I like to mix and match plugins from different vendors according to my needs.

That's how I read it as well...

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Thanks for the info about the free version. So basically, someone who only uses single modules (not the shell nor standalone) and is not interested in the new modules, doesn't miss much by not going the paid upgrade route, right?

I've never been a big fan of those rack-like plugins, anyway, as I like to mix and match plugins from different vendors according to my needs.

Many are interested in the resizable GUIs and greatly improved metering, and other features of T-RackS 5 (I still think the new modules are getting written off far too much as well - just like at first people didn't fully grasp the value and quality of the new AmpliTube 4 models that are only available in the full version) and note that future T-RackS plugins will be built upon T-RackS 5 which means just like with AmpliTube 4 most will end up wanting the full version in order to get the most out of upcoming gear too. In those cases, the wait will be quite long to find the price as low as the preorder offer.

[paterpeter]

Thanks for the response. I'm drowning in excellent EQs and compressors, so bear with me when I'm not really in the market for the new modules. Also, I have great metering tools already and I'm working at full HD resolution, so the original module size is fine for me.

I'm a big fan of t-racks and I have most of the modules. Also, I'm sure there are many good reasons to upgrade, but I have the feeling they don't apply to me right now. I'll probably get some more Amplitube stuff at the moment.

And one last thing: the main reason for me not to upgrade is the preorder policy your company has established. I find it extremely shady to lure people into blindly buying stuff they have never seen just to get a better price. It's always the same - you announce a product with very little and/or ambiguous information to lure in the first wave of buyers. Then you release information little by little too see what other groups of people you can get to buy, always with the pressure of a price that "won't be so low for quite a while". I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of people who regret having pre-ordered eg Syntronik or ST3 (many of which won't admit they have been fooled into buying).

I'm sure you'll word it differently (and it's not your fault to begin with that you're employer does what it does), but for me it's just one thing: shady. It's shady when game publishers do it. It's shady when you do it.

If you are confident that people will like your new products and you want to give early adopters a better price (which is nice, of course), just do a launch sale or handle it like u-he - provide an open beta with the opportunity to buy the product for less. Those blind pre-orders, however, leave an extremely bad taste in my mouth. Do you really want to be that kind of a company?

Please forward this to the right people, Peter. It's not meant as a personal offenes towards you.

And to other readers: please do NOT blindly pre-order. Please do NOT support this behavior.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

I have relayed your comments to the team. However, I disagree about the information offered. We had full product pages, audio and video demos, and more content up from the get-go than most gaming companies dream of providing (since you've made that comparison, and most of their information is typically 90% rumor and 10% actual information). Though I have indeed relayed your comments and concerns. Thank you.

IK has been around for more than 20 years and with recent home runs like MODO BASS, Syntronik, and others, there are many who find the preorder option a great way to get a great deal on a product from a company that has been providing them very good tools both recently and over the past 20 years.

[Compyfox]

I just read the FAQ on T-Racks 5 CS:
Am I getting this right, that the new metering module(s) will be available for everyone ("simplified metering" definitely contradicts "Metering does not count as a purchased module")? If so (since I bring a set of old plugins), then that's more than enough for me.

ETA wasn't mentioned though. Will this be a day-1 release as well? Or will Custom Shop be released like 2-4 weeks later?

And what about the T-Racks 4 CS "activation" stuff? You download 500+MB of the whole set, and the modules are extracted 2-3 times in order to use them? Will that be overhauled?



Still so many questions... but I can wait until the actual release to get the usability answers for myself.

[audiosabre]

just do a launch sale

Gotta say that I agree on the launch sale method. I'm much more likely to impulse buy that way. I'm not buying the TR5 update, not because I'm not interested in the new modules (I like the look of ONE and Dyna-Mu), but because I want to demo and use the stuff on my own material first. It's not too much to ask, IMHO.

If IK's market research suggests they make more money from pre-orders, go for it. I'll just wait until the next sale. And if that means waiting a "long time", that's a "long time" IK have to wait for my money. I'll likely end up waiting until it's cheaper than the pre-order pricing. I'm a patient SOB. No skin off my back

[paterpeter]

I have relayed your comments to the team. However, I disagree about the information offered. We had full product pages, audio and video demos, and more content up from the get-go than most gaming companies dream of providing (since you've made that comparison, and most of their information is typically 90% rumor and 10% actual information). Though I have indeed relayed your comments and concerns. Thank you.

IK has been around for more than 20 years and with recent home runs like MODO BASS, Syntronik, and others, there are many who find the preorder option a great way to get a great deal on a product from a company that has been providing them very good tools both recently and over the past 20 years.

Thanks for replying and for forwarding my opinion.

Of course early adopters like to get better prices. But you can't tell me that anybody prefers a blind preorder over a launch sale with the ability to demo the product. Your company intentionally does not allow customers to try what they're buying if they want the best price. And because there are no refunds, you accept that buyers are left with something they are not happy with. Come on, you know that's not cool. BTW, I can refund a game on Steam if I'm not happy with it.

NB: I'm quite a fan of most IK products I've bought quality wise (and I've bought plenty), so I'm not trying to bash IK as a whole. The only real disappointment was the iRig Keys 37 pro - the only piece of IK hardware I've bought - which felt super flimsy and cheap.

But enough derailing. In the end, everybody can vote with their wallet.

Are there plans for more creative effects once TR5 is out? Compressors and EQs are all good and well, but not everyone is looking for yet another model of some boutique compressor etc. I'd like to see (and hear) something really surprising.

[budweiser]

And one last thing: the main reason for me not to upgrade is the preorder policy your company has established. It's always the same - you announce a product with very little and/or ambiguous information to lure in the first wave of buyers.t's shady when you do it.

Although i just preordered T-racks 5, i can't agree more. To this point, and after reading every single post in every single thread on kvr & gearslutz, i'm still not certain my "old" t-racks 4 modules would have been updated to v5 without buying the upgrade.
I'm ok for paying for upgrades, so it's ok, but ik are really becoming the kings of shady marketing, with this one & syntronik.