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ntom · Post by **ntom** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:13 pm

Only got through reading the first page before I was itching to respond...will read the rest soon.

As many responded, it is absolutely silly to be annoyed with the word "Chiptune". As one mentioned, it might be silly to call a genre "Chiptune" since Chiptune is a term used for a technique of music producing.
Funnily enough though, I started a similar topic not that long ago myself, mostly about electronic genres and a brilliant source was provided...I don't remember it and it's bookmarked at home, but I'm at work now - will provide later if someone doesn't beat me to it -
By far the most utterly rediculous genre is so rediculous it's actually histerical. Happycore (or...technically "Happy Hardcore")

Now of course a lot of people here are saying the genres are there to be a tag to identify more exact what kind of music it is. Now I can agree with this to an extent, but I also believe a lot of these genres emerged because someone believed their obvious techno track wasn't your "standard techno" that you hear and so they called it "Buttf*ckin'" and soon enough everyone thought "buttfuckin'" was cool shit and started writing "Buttf*ckin'" music.

People want their music to seem COMPLETELY original so obviously their "completely original" music MUST have it's own genre. I think it's stupid myself, which is why I try to give most of my tags an accurate TRUE genre. Such as...Techno. or Electronica. The only times I don't tag normally is if I am joking around or otherwise don't care. Joking around, for example, calling "Trance" "Tarnce" or "Darnce".

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:30 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_hardcore

you're choosing some of the oldest genres to pick out as the worst and not attacking what "trance" has evolved into?

"trance" music as defined in the early 90s would make most modern "trance kiddies" vomit. they would never, ever admit to it being "trance" music at all. yet that is what it was originally called and that is the origin of the music they love today.

there are "facts" that you "believe", and there is "history"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trance_music

"... other suggestions trace the name to the actual trance-like states the earliest forms of the music attempted to emulate in the 1990s before the genre's focus changed.[1]"

as i do.

our name for it is "tracne" - "track acne" by the way due to it's common love from adolescents with skin problems.

much like the pimples on the face of it's listeners, "tracne" is a pimple on the ass of the butt of electronica. although the anal-ogy doesn't end there, as it's moon-like qualities still shine through from time to time from it's roots just like... well you get the idea.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:51 pm

@ntom - if you want to understand what is going on you need to read this article by Simon Reynolds. It covers in very minute detail everything that contributes towards the music you are ratting on. How it evolves and why some of it becomes mainstream, while other stuff just fades a way.

http://energyflashbysimonreynolds.blogs ... d-its.html

It's a brilliant lecture / article. Enjoy

Peace,
Andy.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:55 pm

... while you're reading, here's some classic acid techno to enjoy:

MickGael · Post by **MickGael** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:57 pm

Most annoying music sub-genre? Norwegian Carpenter's songs.

"Good evening. We apologize most sincerely to those of you who have bought this record under the impression this it was in any way connected with the television program, Monty Python's Flying Circus. This was due to an error in the printing stage of the album cover. This album is in fact called 'Pleasures of the Dance', a collection of Norwegian Carpenter's songs compiled by Oscar Trict."

flynsk · Post by **flynsk** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:03 pm

ZenPunkHippy wrote:... while you're reading, here's some classic acid techno to enjoy:

Good thing you gave us a full hour's worth, this thread will never end.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:04 pm

LONDON

ACID

TECHNO

flynsk · Post by **flynsk** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:26 pm

ZenPunkHippy wrote:

LONDON

ACID

TECHNO

So Andy,

I know you know your punk. I'm reading the article you linked and wondering: How do you keep track of the sub-sub genres of electronic and punk at the same time?

I can't even get a handle on what genre I, myself, play.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:09 am

flynsk wrote:I know you know your punk. I'm reading the article you linked and wondering: How do you keep track of the sub-sub genres of electronic and punk at the same time?

There is a very strong link between the punk scene and techno, trance and other genres of rave music, particularly in the UK. The early punk bands (Velvet Underground era and later the UK scene) showed us that anyone could start a band.

Cut forward to the late 80's and in to the 90's and suddenly you have these (cheap at the time) drum machines and synths that proved, once again, anyone could make a noise and perform, put on parties, in true DIY spirit, outside of "the system".

Acid techno (as linked above) was a huge part of that, particularly because it has a slightly aggressive nature similar to punk. Trance less so, but the fairly rigid structure of the music and constant 4 to the floor beat let's us express our energy without the aggression of the mosh pit.

The attitude of the people in certain parts of the underground electronic scene is very socially oriented, and generally adheres to the PLUR principal (peace, love, unity, respect). For example, many of my female friends have always felt very safe at underground techno or trance parties knowing that they generally won't be hit on or put in uncomfortable situations (although obviously it does happen).

Anyway ... once I hit the underground electronic music scene in the mid 90's I found myself moving away from punk and metal and never looked back. Haven't kept up with rock / punk / metal, although do love a bit of psychedelic or space rock now and again.

As for electronic music, I'm stuck in a bit of a time warp ... I guess we reach an age where all the avenues have been explored, there really isn't anything "new" in terms of rhythms or sounds and so we settle in to the groove that makes us feel the happiest. Still always on the lookout for the new sounds though ... gotta do our best to keep it interesting*

Peace,
Andy.

* and hope that wasn't too self indulgent or boring to read!

DWB2 · Post by **DWB2** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:09 am

Bonteburg wrote:The thing is, each of these names and subnames means something very specific to an equally specific group of people knowing exactly what to look for - genres and subgenres make all the sense in the world! It's like eskimo words for snow*.

Even if you were to abolish subgenre names by lay you'd still get people describing their music of choice at 'that particular kind of metal band XYZ from Andorra makes, you know, with the rubber chicken samples?'

This is spot on, I think.

From a distance it looks like a lot of these things are micro-niches within micro-niches, but then you look at some of the bigger online record shops and find out that at least 964 death-prog-garage records have been released in the last month...

DWB2 · Post by **DWB2** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:15 am

ZenPunkHippy wrote:As for electronic music, I'm stuck in a bit of a time warp ... I guess we reach an age where all the avenues have been explored, there really isn't anything "new" in terms of rhythms or sounds and so we settle in to the groove that makes us feel the happiest.

I think we reach an age where new music is no longer forward thinking rebels blowing away the tired old rubbish with crazy new shit, it's young hoodlums destroying everything that's good and worthwhile about music with their appalling trashy noise.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:25 am

DWB2 wrote:I think we reach an age where new music is no longer forward thinking rebels blowing away the tired old rubbish with crazy new shit, it's young hoodlums destroying everything that's good and worthwhile about music with their appalling trashy noise.

Spot on!

Now get off my lawn!!!

Peace,
Andy.

bailees7irish · Post by **bailees7irish** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:30 am

Witch house

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:34 am

bailees7irish wrote:Witch house

Whose House,

A.M. Gold · Post by **A.M. Gold** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:01 am

kritikon wrote:
You'll have to speak in CAPS I'm afraid. Hearing's not what it used to be. Nor are my bowels.
If you've got trouble with your bowels and you've only just turned 30, you've got a whole world of amazement and frustration yet to come. It's barely started...

I ask everyone from Wellington on KVR this (well, all two of you):

Ever seen (Sir) Peter Jackson around town?

Annoying music sub-genres