Tracktion Software

Crossinger · Post by **Crossinger** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 1:57 pm

OK, back on topic...

What about this one, Jens:

http://home.netcom.com/~jhewes/StereoPan.html

Maybe this panner has the options you need for proper use...

HTH

Bye

J.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 2:22 pm

Crossinger wrote:OK, back on topic...

What about this one, Jens:

http://home.netcom.com/~jhewes/StereoPan.html

Maybe this panner has the options you need for proper use...

HTH

Bye

J.

yeah - thanks Crossinger, that's really useful

- when I turn down the gain sliders I get exactly
what I expect a normal panning to be like

multree · Post by **multree** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 2:33 pm

supertopawesome plugin......

now this would be super if it would be linked to the volume meters

wow - thanks
mully

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 4:35 pm

It does look very good hopefully T2 will have similar features.

sixnon · Post by **sixnon** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:52 am

Anyone know of such a plug for OSX?

I must admit to knowing nothing about such issues (and am grateful to the KvR community for again enlighting & confusing mein this regard), but my EARS knew something was up!

Six

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:18 am

k I'm not sure if I totally understand this panning law stuff.. But tonight I was mixing track with some automation on the panning. As the mono track moved in the stereo field it was quite loud on both the extreme left and right and relatively quiet in the center. Is this the panning law? I would prefer if the sound stayed the same 'perceived' volume as it moves through the stereo-field.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:36 pm

floyd wrote:k I'm not sure if I totally understand this panning law stuff.. But tonight I was mixing track with some automation on the panning. As the mono track moved in the stereo field it was quite loud on both the extreme left and right and relatively quiet in the center. Is this the panning law? I would prefer if the sound stayed the same 'perceived' volume as it moves through the stereo-field.

yes, that's the pan law:

"When sounds are panned to the center, they tend to sound louder than when they are panned to either side. Pan Law is a way to compensate for this. Stereo Pan supports three different kinds of pan law: 0dB, -3dB, and -6dB. The 0dB setting essentially means that you have pan law turned off. The -3 dB setting means that sounds panned in the center are reduced by 3 dB. The -6 dB setting means that sounds panned in the center are reduced by 6 dB.The -3 dB setting uses a constant power curve based on sin/cos, while other two settings are linear."

I dislike this 'compensation - usually I mix the levels when it is centered and putting the tracks in the stereo field is one of the last things I do when mixing a song -
now the way Tracktion tries to compensate for that
the center position is perceived louder helps creating clipping and destroying the balance of the mix -
6db is simply too much in most of the cases - I prefer 0db - I can make it louder on my own if I wish - but that is rarely needed in my mixes

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:45 pm

Personally I like a panning law. But it should be configurable. Is it 6db in Tracktion - has someone tested this?

valley · Post by **valley** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:59 pm

chagzuki wrote:Personally I like a panning law. But it should be configurable. Is it 6db in Tracktion - has someone tested this?

I didn't seem to be when I measured it, but I didn;t spend much time doing a precision test.

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:02 am

Thats weird, cause like I said before I thought in Tracktion sounds panned to the sides were much LOUDER than panned center. Maybe it just has to do with headphones...

valley · Post by **valley** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:27 am

OK, after measureing it with an impulse, I think you're right - it looks like Tracktion uses a -6dB center panning law.

Mr. Tingle · Post by **Mr. Tingle** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:09 am

From personal experience I'd say that if I pan something I have to bring down the volume straight after.

When you put a sound at the edge of the stereo field it makes it easier to hear anyway because it's more isolated, so it doesn't need an increase in volume aswell.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:27 am

tingle wrote:From personal experience I'd say that if I pan something I have to bring down the volume straight after.

When you put a sound at the edge of the stereo field it makes it easier to hear anyway because it's more isolated, so it doesn't need an increase in volume aswell.

in most of the cases YES!!! - that's
exactly my point

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:31 am

and again: Sonar, Samplitude and Logic - all
sequencers that are considered pro have a odb
gain increase when panning

- Tracktion
however is different once more

jules · Post by **jules** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:26 am

hello. Sorry I've not been keeping up to date recently, I've been away for a week at MusikMesse and am now in bed the flu, so I'm a bit frazzled and might not be talking complete sense..

Yes, tracktion uses a -6db centre pan law, which I thought was a good basic pan type. I'd like to add more options one day.

And Jens, if panning something makes it louder than you want it to be, it's a lot quicker to just dip the volume slightly than to come on KVR and mouth off about my software being unprofessional. Sort out your attitude if you expect any help on these things.

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