KVR Audio

c_voltage · Post by **c_voltage** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:47 pm

Damn, sad really. Strange but (to my shame) had no case to tried any of modern Linplug synths yet, though really planned, especially Spectral, and was subscribed to Linplug news. I hope they not a very much quickly close their store. I think it's worth trying all products.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:58 pm

chk071 wrote:
We (thats mainly Pavol and me ) have followed our mission to bring quality, innovation and service to the computer musician for long. But at some point I found that there is already everything available thats needed. I found the market to move into the newer, bigger, crazier direction to gain attention and sales. To make it short, I feel my mission for the computer musician is fulfilled and there are other missions waiting for me.
Don't quite get that explanation. But, hey, his decision.

I get it if it was their fulltime job... I'd quit too if I'd had to do a lot of marketing to keep my income.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:17 pm

I simply don't get the "everything needed is already available" argument. Even if the features are very similar, every new synth for me has a different sound flavour. And, there's also innovative concepts in "classic" VA synths, like Dune 1 and 2 show with the differential unison engine. Sounds more like "i ran out of ideas" to me. Fair enough.

classic · Post by **classic** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:22 pm

Caine123 wrote:really sad i love albino3.... there is a 64bit version?! is it somewhere downloadable? i got a legal license!
sadly (of course cause it's old) the handling is cumbersome....

what would you recommend to get from linplug now?

Go and get Morphox.
Its greate.

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:25 pm

Great run for these guys. Glad they got ideas and direction for their future. I used their products all of the time until recently (with a shift in musical directions). Wish 'em well!

Jon

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:34 pm

chk071 wrote:I simply don't get the "everything needed is already available" argument. Even if the features are very similar, every new synth for me has a different sound flavour. And, there's also innovative concepts in "classic" VA synths, like Dune 1 and 2 show with the differential unison engine. Sounds more like "i ran out of ideas" to me. Fair enough.

I don't have to tell you that there's more to running a software company than just having some great ideas and programming them. I can imagine that in the early days, when there was a lot less competition, it was a lot easier to give those aspects more focus and still make a buck.
Like book stores that are surviving because they've added a coffee bar and the ones that just care about books going belly up... (yeah, the comparison is not a 100%

)

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:37 pm

I think I may now get one of their synths. For the price I'm fine with lack of updates or even support.

Which one would you recommend - Spectral or MorphoX? I think Spectral is conceptually similar to Razor or Harmor to an extent (both of which I have) but the sound character seems to be different judging from the soundcloud demos. I'm making psytrance so various weird mechanical sounds are right up my alley.

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:42 pm

If I recall correctly, Peter in the past implied that they tend to plan the full features of the synth, develop it to those specs, release a stable version, and let that be it (except for bug updates). The problem is that the "market" is looking for consistent new features and new versions/updates and 75% off sales and new products from the company and...etc.

When a stable, completed product is released, it tends to fade into the background after a little while. Only a very small number keep the buzz alive.

Among the recent synths, Morphox and Spectral got great reviews around here when released (especially Spectral..it's got some unique features).

The market is tough out there. You could buy Xpand for $1 a while back and then use it today to upgrade to the entire Air Instrument Expansion Pack 3 for $60. That's piano, rhodes/wurli, organ, tons of effects, a rompler, a drum vst, three synths with tons of additional presets, a loop mangler, and more for ...$61.

I saw that a user in the Marketplace here has marked down the Rob Papen Xplorer 3 collection to $165. No takers still.

Crazy times.

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:44 pm

chk071 wrote:I simply don't get the "everything needed is already available" argument. Even if the features are very similar, every new synth for me has a different sound flavour.

oh yeah, and for me....every synth becomes a new synth with a micro-scopic nudge of the filter knob.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:45 pm

T-CM11 wrote:
chk071 wrote:I simply don't get the "everything needed is already available" argument. Even if the features are very similar, every new synth for me has a different sound flavour. And, there's also innovative concepts in "classic" VA synths, like Dune 1 and 2 show with the differential unison engine. Sounds more like "i ran out of ideas" to me. Fair enough.
I don't have to tell you that there's more to running a software company than just having some great ideas and programming them. I can imagine that in the early days, when there was a lot less competition, it was a lot easier to give those aspects more focus and still make a buck.
Like book stores that are surviving because they've added a coffee bar and the ones that just care about books going belly up... (yeah, the comparison is not a 100% )

I think that is the point for Linplug, not being able to "make a buck". Thing is, if you have a good product, you can. Look at Spire. It's a totally sh** normal VA synth, without any surprises (ok, it has SOME special stuff, which other synths don't have, but, not many), and it obviously sells like hot cakes.

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:47 pm

Ingonator wrote:
Caine123 wrote:really sad i love albino3.... there is a 64bit version?! is it somewhere downloadable? i got a legal license!
sadly (of course cause it's old) the handling is cumbersome....
Albino v3.2.1 is available here at the "Legacy" downloads page:
http://www.linplug.com/download/fullversion.html

Those aren't free.

KBSoundSmith · Post by **KBSoundSmith** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:48 pm

recursive one wrote:I think I may now get one of their synths. For the price I'm fine with lack of updates or even support.

Which one would you recommend - Spectral or MorphoX? I think Spectral is conceptually similar to Razor or Harmor to an extent (both of which I have) but the sound character seems to be different judging from the soundcloud demos. I'm making psytrance so various weird mechanical sounds are right up my alley.

Spectral is an additive/cross-modulation synth. In other words, think of it as a 4-operator FM/PM/AM synth with user-definable waveforms via additive synthesis (with waveshaping between two waveforms, per oscillator). It also has user-definable filters, per oscillator -- which are also cross-mod destinations and sources. The oscillators and filter in Spectral can also be used as just a Subtractive synth.

If I recall their architectures, Harmor and Razor are more focused on re-synthesis or straight-up additive synthesis -- they're quite different from Spectral, although I imagine you can reach some overlap via additive synthesis alone.

I haven't tried MorphoX, but I can say that Spectral at $50 is an extraordinary deal.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:50 pm

chk071 wrote: I think that is the point for Linplug, not being able to "make a buck". Thing is, if you have a good product, you can. Look at Spire. It's a totally sh** normal VA synth, without any surprises (ok, it has SOME special stuff, which other synths don't have, but, not many), and it obviously sells like hot cakes.

Are you saying that, if Linplug's plugins don't "sell like hot cakes" (anymore?) that they're not "good products"?

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:51 pm

recursive one wrote:I think I may now get one of their synths. For the price I'm fine with lack of updates or even support.

do it, man. Ensoniq been dead and gone forever but my VFX still works great.
on the other hand, if you're a whiny baby like some people that need hand holding
all the time with installation and use, perhaps save the $50 online synth training.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:52 pm

KBSoundSmith wrote:
recursive one wrote:I think I may now get one of their synths. For the price I'm fine with lack of updates or even support.

Which one would you recommend - Spectral or MorphoX? I think Spectral is conceptually similar to Razor or Harmor to an extent (both of which I have) but the sound character seems to be different judging from the soundcloud demos. I'm making psytrance so various weird mechanical sounds are right up my alley.
Spectral is an additive/cross-modulation synth. In other words, think of it as a 4-operator FM/PM/AM synth with user-definable waveforms via additive synthesis (with waveshaping between two waveforms, per oscillator). It also has user-definable filters, per oscillator -- which are also cross-mod destinations and sources. The oscillators and filter in Spectral can also be used as just a Subtractive synth.

Thanks!
Seems to be a synth that could be potentially very interesting for me, will try the demo.

Linplug discontinued :( Back your stuff up.