u-he update of almost everything August 2021

[recursive one]

The new skin in Hive is great I hope that Hive gets more complex oscillators with all the folding, sync, fm, pm ...etc Maybe in version 3.0

Personally, I hope they leave Hive pretty much as is and just implement the aforementioned features in Zebra3 instead. Hive is awesome because it's not bloated with every option under the sun, just enough features, implemented in such a way to cover a broad range of sounds without choice overwhelm and or crap workflow.

This!

There are a couple of specific extra sound-shaping options I'd love to be added to Hive but this most likely will never happen and it's not that I'm really mad about this. Hive is pretty complete as such and provides arguably the fastest way from a sound in my head to the sound in my DAW.

why buy Hive and Bazille/Zebra when you need just one synth like Serum/Phase Plant/Vital?!

Hive is one of the few "non-modelled" softsynths that have an inherent sound character (even three of them ), while Serum and Vital are a kind of "blank state" synths, you have to work quite a bit to make them sound in any other way than cold/harsh/digital. Never tried Phaseplant (just looking at the GUI screenshots scares the sh!t out of me lol) but I guess it must be more or less the same.

[EnGee]

This is why Hive + the extra "unwanted" complexity would be a unique power synth. It can have both worlds, so it gathers the warmth of Sylenth1 and the versatility of Serum in one package! The point is to bring something "new" that tick most of the boxes.

Anyway, as my opinion is not popular and I have nothing more to add, so it is better to move on

[recursive one]

This is why Hive + the extra "unwanted" complexity would be a unique power synth. It can have both worlds, so it gathers the warmth of Sylenth1 and the versatility of Serum in one package! The point is to bring something "new" that tick most of the boxes.

I hope that will be Zebra 3

Maybe .... someday

[pdxindy]

The new skin in Hive is great I hope that Hive gets more complex oscillators with all the folding, sync, fm, pm ...etc Maybe in version 3.0

Personally, I hope they leave Hive pretty much as is and just implement the aforementioned features in Zebra3 instead. Hive is awesome because it's not bloated with every option under the sun, just enough features, implemented in such a way to cover a broad range of sounds without choice overwhelm and or crap workflow.

I immensely agree. Hive is already bursting at the seams as-is haha. The line between cpu-friendly simplicity and flexibility can be such a fine one, but I think any future additions to Hive should be workflow-related and making simple things faster and complex things easier. Not necessarily adding more complexity for the sake of it. All those new modules should be reserved for Zebra3 .

I agree...

[pdxindy]

Yes, maybe making Hive more complex would make Zebra and Bazille not very needed, but why buy Hive and Bazille/Zebra when you need just one synth like Serum/Phase Plant/Vital?!

Bazille makes sounds (and with a sound quality) none of those others can match.

Hive will never be Bazille and shouldn't be Zebra. The structure of Hive is such that it is limited in what you can add to it before the visual ease and fast workflow would suffer.

Zebra is designed in such a way that it can handle lots of modules and still be relatively easy to work with. It can never have all on one page interface like Bazille. And so on.

The idea that one synth can do and be everything is an impossible fantasy. So that is why one should buy Bazille, Hive and Zebra (and RePro and Diva)

[bharris22]

32 bit Windows, VST2.

The last available 32bit version of Renoise is 3.1.1. It seems they stopped supporting 32bit a long time ago, so I would not be too surprised if our plugins didn't work in such an old DAW.

But I installed this 3.1.1 version and all our current VST2 32bit plugins are working just fine.

I suspect it's simply an installation issue.
Please contact our support, so we can help you get this fixed.
https://u-he.com/support/#contact

Interesting - thank you! I will try reinstalling, and if that doesn't work, will contact support directly.

[Examigan]

The idea that one synth can do and be everything is an impossible fantasy. So that is why one should buy Bazille, Hive and Zebra (and RePro and Diva)

You forgot ACE.

[pdxindy]

The idea that one synth can do and be everything is an impossible fantasy. So that is why one should buy Bazille, Hive and Zebra (and RePro and Diva)

You forgot ACE.

[Clem4]

...so it gathers the warmth of Sylenth1....

To me Sylenth1 sounds warmer than Hive...

[MillerSam]

I did a little demo of the new Triple Cheese version. My highlight of the update release

[Buckster]

I had been trying demo recently and my CPU was suffering with a lot of patches - noticed it was 1.1 so updated to latest version as per this thread and Bazille seems much more efficient now CPU wise ? (Windows). Just not noticed much mention of Windows versions becoming less CPU intensive ? (I default to HQ unless I have CPU problems)

Bit more testing over weekend then might buy as I love the clean yet creative sound - I've got quite into FM recently after buying Aparillo

(Also only UHE synth except for ACE that I don't own lol)

[bluesawsq]

The new skin in Hive is great I hope that Hive gets more complex oscillators with all the folding, sync, fm, pm ...etc Maybe in version 3.0

Personally, I hope they leave Hive pretty much as is and just implement the aforementioned features in Zebra3 instead. Hive is awesome because it's not bloated with every option under the sun, just enough features, implemented in such a way to cover a broad range of sounds without choice overwhelm and or crap workflow.

Two-dimensional wavetables are pretty difficult to use in a controlled manner. The workflow for that feature is one of the most complex in any synth - reading wavetable comments and adjusting number of tables accordingly, editing uhm scripts etc.

Wavetable warp/morph/oscfx, like in Serum/Vital/Zebra2, is easier to use and requires only two GUI controls. You would get a broad range of sounds much more easily. Warp/morph/oscfx is already an established feature in wavetable synths. It seems to me like without it Hive is not using the full potential of wavetable synthesis.

[robindrieghe]

the software still comes only with printed editions?

[Shiek927]

The new skin in Hive is great I hope that Hive gets more complex oscillators with all the folding, sync, fm, pm ...etc Maybe in version 3.0

Personally, I hope they leave Hive pretty much as is and just implement the aforementioned features in Zebra3 instead. Hive is awesome because it's not bloated with every option under the sun, just enough features, implemented in such a way to cover a broad range of sounds without choice overwhelm and or crap workflow.

I immensely agree. Hive is already bursting at the seams as-is haha. The line between cpu-friendly simplicity and flexibility can be such a fine one, but I think any future additions to Hive should be workflow-related and making simple things faster and complex things easier. Not necessarily adding more complexity for the sake of it. All those new modules should be reserved for Zebra3 .

Well, IMO, it's not in the benefits of u-he to hold back the development in Hive and make things more advanced and complex. For me, there is no problem at all because I have all u-he synths (and more from other companies), however, for someone wants all in one power synth, it's strange to tell him/her that Hive can't do that (especially basic things like fm and sync between the 2 oscillators!), and it's better to buy Zebra!
Zebra and Bazille are great synths, but have deep learning curve in general, while Hive is oversimplified. The only balanced synth is Diva, but that is an emulation of several vintage analog synths.
The advantage of adding some advanced oscillators or/and phase/frequency modulations is that Hive is already has easy workflow, so it's faster to achieve complex sounds with that workflow if the tools available.
Yes, maybe making Hive more complex would make Zebra and Bazille not very needed, but why buy Hive and Bazille/Zebra when you need just one synth like Serum/Phase Plant/Vital?!

That's the thing though -- Hive was never intended to be an "all-in-one" powersynth. It was supposed to be a cpu-friendly synth for fast work akin to Sylenth1. u-he has yet to make a true 'all-in-one' synth because it's always been different horses for courses where every synth has a certain scope and it tries to stay within the parameters of that scope.

Personally, I would argue there is no true "one" synth that's perfect or good at everything. That's certainly not how I'd describe Serum/Phase Planet/Vital. They are good wavetable synths, but I would never say they nail classic vintage analog synths like Diva does or vice-versa. Even something like Avenger, which has a silly amount of features including a whole drum-section, isn't necessarily perfect (it's crashy, the protection is ridiculous, and expansion packs are waaay too expensive).

Trying to make a synth that appeals to everyone and anyone is just impossible. Even if you have something like Avenger or a synth that attempts and markets itself as an all-in-one super-synth, sometimes I want to pull out something else whether it's because I think it has a slightly better character for the context or I just plain want too . I don't think you necessarily need an excess of synths in your collection, but trying to get by on just one single synth to cover every conceivable need is just not going to happen.

That's why it's important to ask yourself what sort of music you want to make, if you enjoy deep sound-design or just preset-tweaking, and trying to figure out what best serves *your* needs. Hive is a Sylenth1 fast synth that's less warmer sounding, but way more flexible and 'contemporary' than it. It's has neither the modular flexibility of Zebra2 or the mega-rich vintage tone of Diva, but it's fast to work in, good for modern electronica, and serves a purpose. Trying to create overlap would make it lose what makes it special, pile on CPU intensity, and create problems that don't need to be.

TLDR: there's no one perfect synth and Hive already serves a purpose

[Scotty]

I did a little demo of the new Triple Cheese version. My highlight of the update release

Love your content MillerSam, watched this today and I am downloading Triple Cheese now. Pleasure to swap a few words with you. Keep up the excellent work. I can tell it is a labour of love. You are good at it.