Ways to make Wavetables for Hive?!

[pdxindy]

But again the discussion is how many WTs are made with other tools as compared to .uhm WTs.

Vital has been out for a far shorter time than Hive 2 yet I can find a ton more WTs for it than Hive.

Your basic point is correct... there are many many many more WT's out there than Uhm scripts. So you are arguing quantity which is factually true.

From my perspective, quality is more valuable than quantity. I would say the Uhm scripts included with Hive are more useful and unique than 99% of the thousands of wavetables downloadable from the internet.

Anyway, I'm gonna go play my new wavetable synth, the Waldorf M!

[Teksonik]

You are jumping to a wrong conclusion... I've made a few dozens of uhm scripts..

Please do share your WTs here....

My conclusion was based on.....

I don't write Uhm scripts myself.

Here's a TTWT .wav and a patch showing how it works. I would be genuinely interested in seeing how this translates into a .uhm script.

TTWT 01.zip

[attention ♥]

Aha! And that's exactly why Germany is currently getting outsmarted everywhere.
While younger, smarter, more obsessed programmers shell out some new products
that include cool new functions, good old Germany plays marketing chess again.
The lack of Hive 2`s WT Editor is similar to building nice German electric Cars,
while forgetting to build charging stations. Wont get far enough with that thinking

That'll teach him for not adding the features you want.

[Chapelle]

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[Urs]

Using Serum as an example... For a PWM wavetable I'd use LFO-point-modulation with LFO-to-wavetable. Would take me less than a minute.

I know how to do this "for" a PWM wavetable and I know that Serum has a few PWM wavetables. The point wasn't how you use them.

The point is how you can't simply draw 256 single waveforms which continuously morph from one shape to another in any visual wavetable editor.

[Urs]

I'd spend another 5 minutes creating an ohh one, and spectral-morph between them. So, around 10-15 minutes. Maximum 20.

Sorry, but in this case spectral morph does not sound much different from a crossfade. The wavetable does not smoothly interpolate formants, it just crossfades them. Too same same, not the quality I'd be looking for.

[Chapelle]

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[Urs]

I wasn't describing how I'm using a PWM wavetable. I was describing how I'm creating a PWM wavetable with the LFO-editor, using no previous existing waveform at all.

Sorry, I misunderstood. Gotta check out that feature, I didn't know Serum had it. (So Serum has an editor, a math tool and on top of that LFO-to-wavetable?)

There are quite a few "vowely" wavetables that come with Hive.

[Chapelle]

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[Urs]

Sorry, I misunderstood. Gotta check out that feature, I didn't know Serum had it.

No problem. I've attached a Serum preset. I used a square shape in LFO1, assigned the two middle points to a LFO bus which is modulated by LFO2. When you drag-and-drop LFO1 to the waveform display of OSCA while holding the alt-key on your keyboard down, the PWM wavetable should be created.

(So Serum has an editor, a math tool and on top of that LFO-to-wavetable?)

Don't forget "Resample to OSC" and "Render OSC Warp".

There are quite a few "vowely" wavetables that come with Hive.

Thanks, will check them out when I find the time.

But basically, you're not using a wavetable editor, you're using some other tool that's built into Serum.

Which is exactly what I mean. Wavetable editors are not suited for this kind of task. To make the process viable one needs a spline/curve based tool such as Zebra or Serum's LFO, or maths.

[Urs]

(btw, in Zebra you can also imprint the OscFX to the wavetable you're exporting)

[Chapelle]

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[Kapellor]

Aha! And that's exactly why Germany is currently getting outsmarted everywhere.
While younger, smarter, more obsessed programmers shell out some new products
that include cool new functions, good old Germany plays marketing chess again.
The lack of Hive 2`s WT Editor is similar to building nice German electric Cars,
while forgetting to build charging stations. Wont get far enough with that thinking

That'll teach him for not adding the features you want.

That was ironic...and an indirect criticism of the marketing situation, which
blocks a lot of innovation. Urs explained everything about the decision of the
not present WT Editor, and i understand that this was the better choice.
I wouldnt need something that wouldnt fit to the high quality of the product.
A half-assed integration of something, nah...
Therefore i chose to use the export of the Zebra 2 OSC1 more, with more
success, than to just import some wav i had done elsewhere before.
Uhm scripting on the other hand is something i started to look into, but
directly points me to thinking more about what exactly i want to make\program.
Thats anyway more important for me, focusing more on what i want to do,
than how to do it, because that follows naturally later.

[Kapellor]

(btw, in Zebra you can also imprint the OscFX to the wavetable you're exporting)

And i found that this almost covers any task that i had looked for.
I ditched the idea of using other synths for creating WTs because of it.

[Tj Shredder]

For me the wavetable scripting is the one feature that justifies getting Hive 2. It distinguishes Hive from others. The „best sounding“ interpolation is a very welcome addition.
For me wavetables synthesis is a very specialized and limited variant of granular synthesis, which most granular tools aren‘t capable of. And with a standard wavetable editor also a limited variant of additive synthesis.
What I would like though, is a way to add phase distortion to a wavetable oscillator. I learned from the Grid oscillators, that this is the most expressive way of modulating waveforms. PWM is the phase distortion to a square wave btw…
That way you‘d get a 2D modulatable oscillator… Just an idea…