About CLAP

[Urs]

It there are bounties for open source, it would be nice to try to get someone that has experience adding formats on JUCE to make an external port before the official JUCE team does.

This has happened. Several JUCE based open source synthesizer plug-ins have been ported to CLAP, almost literally overnite (I have to check chat protocols, but I do think I went to bed with one ported and woke up to yet another ported). I don't know how "ready for public" that knowledge is, and if the people behind this plan any releases. I just know it works, and that's all that matters to me at this moment.

The JUCE team itself expressed no apparent desire to deal with CLAP, but as it has been so easy to get basic support going, we're confident there'll be some header-only drop in available one day or another. Maybe we'll add one to the CLAP helper library.

The iPlug2 team on the other hand is very supportive to the cause.

[audiojunkie]

Other than polyphonic automation and host-managed multi-threading, what does CLAP offer over existing liberally licensed, cross-platform and extendible formats like LV2?

I don't know much about LV2. And I looked at it very carefully, twice or thrice. Maybe that is the point.

(anyhow, there are very specific answers to this question that I'm not comfortable to post - firstly because I think that LV2 is absolutely a viable option which I highly regard, secondly because I wasn't the one who ported our plug-ins to LV2 and then decided to abandon the idea - which I think may have been one of the contributing factors that brought CLAP into existence.)

Interesting! So......... Uhe's development team's aborted attempt at porting to LV2 was a contributing factor in bringing about the existance of CLAP. The format name also seems to indicate that it is much easier than LV2.

[Urs]

It's a huge mistake not to develop MIDI plug in capabilities into CLAP, at least MIDI out from instruments, it's always been the most annoying thing as an end user about AU.

CLAP plug-ins can offer any number of MIDI input or output ports. They can process MIDI even if they don't process any audio at all.

(this is so obvious to me, I simply forgot to mention it)

[AngusHewlett]

And IMO, PACE is the worst and the poster child of corporate greed and corruption.
That kills it. (JUCE that is. Hopefully they won't latch on to CLAP.)

I'm no fan either, but the JUCE devs who I'm friends with are certainly happier there than in the previous place. And both JUCE and its dev team seem to be well looked after. Which is nice to see.

[wangeroge]

Just as Steinberg makes it's first attempt to kill VST2, a new plugin protocol arrives.

I really like the fast plug-in scanning feature. I hope this pushes Steinberg to innovate faster with VST3/4.

[Urs]

Just as Steinberg makes it's first attempt to kill VST2, a new plugin protocol arrives.

Maybe not a coincidence...

[apoclypse]

I am of course curious where this will end up.

I am not a developer, but as an end user married till death to Cubendo (for now anyway) and who beta tests for quite a few companies, my first second and third thoughts are: "Great, just what the world needs yet another plugin format or DAW".
I would be shocked if Steinberg, Logic or ProTools would ever adopt it.

Maybe years from now I will be a convert.
Time will tell.
rsp

Probably never for these three DAWs. Live will take their sweet time, Studio One would probably be willing if there was enough adoption.

[MitchK1989]

Polyphonic modulation (without resorting to destructive automation) in bitwig with CLAP plugins has me fully sold already.

[machinesworking]

Probably never for these three DAWs. Live will take their sweet time, Studio One would probably be willing if there was enough adoption.

I would bet that obviously Bitwig, but also FL Studio, Studio One and Digital Performer all be early adopters. Bitwig because they're in on the ground floor, Studio One because PreSonus would I bet like to not be tied to Apple and Avid. FL and DP because they already have an internal format, so wrapping a new one isn't a big deal. MOTU introduced VST on Mac version of DP months after releasing the VST Windows version upon popular demand. Reaper will do it just because, then Ableton will follow the pack.

If I were a developer interested in starting this up with a bang I would reach out to MOTU and PreSonus, IMO Image Line, Cockos, Bitwig, are going to be early adopters. You then might get Cubase, Logic and PT "wrappers", and you've slayed the giants.

The smaller developers will come along as well.

[pekbro]

I like it, tho, I will likely make crude jokes about the name at times.

[machinesworking]

I like it, tho, I will likely make crude jokes about the name at times.

The name is pretty bad, good acronyms aren't hard people. Universal Audio Format, Plugin Audio System, Unchained Plugins, Music Audio Plugin, etc. etc. AUF, PAS, UP, MAP are all better and took 2 seconds to cook up... I like AUF, sounds like the German word auf which is still good as on or up etc.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Will it allow for things like:

1. Easy sidechaining (assuming that's a given)?
2. Easy handling of multiple audio channels (also assuming this is a given)?
3. MIDI Out from FX/Instruments?
4. MIDI Pass-Thru?
5. Plugin to Plugin communication? You know like cross-talk from the neighboring channel on a console sim, or scopes that show data on other channels, etc.?

[perpetual3]

Polyphonic modulation (without resorting to destructive automation) in bitwig with CLAP plugins has me fully sold already.

Yeah me too!

[gentleclockdivider]

Not really convinced by the name 'clap ' aka Gonorrhea

[perpetual3]

Yeah, it’s pretty bad BUT THE CONCEPT MAN.