KVR Audio

yerusalan · Post by **yerusalan** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:58 am

NFI of course you need an analyser. How else are you going to know the frequency of the drum.

Sorry, never occured to me I need to visualize the frequency of my kick in order to find out how well it fits with the rest of the tune.

The industry (music software), nowdays, is geared towards making you addicted to visualizations. This compromises everything to do with artistic/musical choices.
You can waste your whole life tuning kicks with analyzers - all they're gonna help you atchieve is hearing impairment. I've seen plenty of people unable to effectively eq due to this addiction.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:07 am

yerusalan wrote:
NFI of course you need an analyser. How else are you going to know the frequency of the drum.
Sorry, never occured to me I need to visualize the frequency of my kick in order to find out how well it fits with the rest of the tune.

The industry (music software), nowdays, is geared towards making you addicted to visualizations. This compromises everything to do with artistic/musical choices.
You can waste your whole life tuning kicks with analyzers - all they're gonna help you atchieve is hearing impairment. I've seen plenty of people unable to effectively eq due to this addiction.

So you're saying i should make music that sounds alright instead of looks alright ? Hmmm novel concept.

yerusalan · Post by **yerusalan** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:09 pm

sarcasm... whatever.

Some of the best advice I ever received was something like - use ears ditch your eyes. This is the best TECHNIQUE and it is very scientific. There are uses for analyzers but just not in this case. Take it for what it is - and opinion. It is beneficial tp open up for all ideas not just those "novel" ones with flashy guis.

risome · Post by **risome** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:43 am

yerusalan wrote:
NFI of course you need an analyser. How else are you going to know the frequency of the drum.
Sorry, never occured to me I need to visualize the frequency of my kick in order to find out how well it fits with the rest of the tune.

The industry (music software), nowdays, is geared towards making you addicted to visualizations. This compromises everything to do with artistic/musical choices.
You can waste your whole life tuning kicks with analyzers - all they're gonna help you atchieve is hearing impairment. I've seen plenty of people unable to effectively eq due to this addiction.

I stated that the analyser helps you identify the frequency of the drum not to tell you that it fits with the music.

Regalo Vampire · Post by **Regalo Vampire** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:39 am

"Dada life" say that it is neccesary for the kick and bass to sound in the same key. But sometimes it can be otherwise, when it just sounds good.
Cheers.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:49 am

the main problem with analysis is that most people have no idea what they're actually looking at. there is absolutely no more information present in a spectrograph than in a transient graph or even a cepstrum graph. these are just different ways of displaying the exact same data.

your ears work part way between spectro- and cepstrum and include some higher level functionality like automatic gain control, noise reduction and gating all with multi-band function. there is no doubt they can be much better tools than a spectrograph if you were limited to a simple, common spectrograph.

the only important thing you have to take into consideration is that you have to know how to use the tools in order for them to be effective.

what is with all the zombie threads lately though?

Xenobt · Post by **Xenobt** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:37 am

Zombie Threads! The Undead Clothing Store?

I think it's more like recycling them!

Rather than starting new ones, I try and do a KVR search first. Lots of times a topic gets covered over and over and there's already so much ground covered, that I don'r need to. But sometimes in-sipid/sightful comments or questions DO disturb their fitfully rest for more chewing over. "Soylent Threads is people!"

And while I know there are lots of folks out there that swear by complex metering, it's not a magic wand. When I make pitch adjustments, the overtones will let me know when it's there. You can't see that on a scope!

But back to the question at hand, I think the focus should be more on finding what the song needs. Sometimes that dissonant kick makes everything harder and edgier. But to blend a kick into the bass for one big pulse, you have to have SOME clean relationship pitch-wise.

It doesn't have to be the tonic of the songs key either. Sometimes tuning to the bridge can make it seem like the track goes to somewhere bigger and better and releases tension that the slight dissonance in the rest of the track creates. But the root key will be your best bet for getting the other pitches in the song to blend well with it.

But honestly, like anything else, if it works, it's the right thing to do. If it loses something, leave it be!

KVR/esoundz:Xenobt

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:53 am

You're all wrong. I like to keep my kicks pure, and I tune the song to the kick.

Xenobt · Post by **Xenobt** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:07 pm

Genius! Why didn't I think of that?!

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt

Tune the Kick to the Song ?