Att'n Developers: Rent Your Plugins

[hakey]

People want to make more and more money by "clever" manipulations and marketing rather than honest work and good products.

this has always bean the case.

I blame the bean counters.

[Teksonik]

fortunately no plugin developer in his or her right mind would implement such a scheme

There's at least 3 plugin developers by my count who have implemented such a scheme already.

A whole 3 of them? Out of how many? Which three out of curiosity? Are you sure they are in their right minds?

[Mushy Mushy]

@4lb Kitty: Well said

[Teksonik]

Dunno if it has been mentioned yet, but the idea is ultimately stupid.


It would mean you couldn't properly open older projects anymore after the rent period of certain plugins had expired. Also it would cause additional work for both the customer and the plugin-company. The idea only has disadvantages, no real advantages at all.


The idea is just stupid (imo of course).

Well said.....even though you think I should be eaten by Wolves I can agree with you on this post at least.....

[aciddose]

People want to make more and more money by "clever" manipulations and marketing rather than honest work and good products.

this has always bean the case.

I blame the bean counters.

i blame this guy:

[DF2R]

fortunately no plugin developer in his or her right mind would implement such a scheme

There's at least 3 plugin developers by my count who have implemented such a scheme already.

A whole 3 of them? Out of how many? Which three out of curiosity? Are you sure they are in their right minds?

Yes three. They are Waves, URS, Sonalksis. Also I think Protools rents plugins.

[whyterabbyt]

i don't think you're really that ignorant are you?

no, im not ignorant of what i was comparing. you seem to be, though. try and remember that analogies rely on common factors, not complete one-for-one interchangability and you'll be fine.

in this case, the common factor related to

"until the the long term price is many many times greater than what they'd pay upfront"

with a mortgage or loan you only pay a percentage of the value of the item as interest in return for the up-front cost being covered. at the end of the transaction, the item in question is fully yours.

yes, some of have actually do have homes of our own, you know.

the thing about mortgages is that you can buy a property for a small percentage of about 15%, pay about 5% interest, then sell it for the full value and take all profits greater than the interest you have paid.

so if you can increase the value of a property by more than 5% by for example building a house on it, you make an awful lot of profit.

blah blah. dont need an attempt at an irrelevant theory lecture on something i've got practical experience of, thanks.

[Mushy Mushy]

It would mean you couldn't properly open older projects anymore after the rent period of certain plugins had expired. Also it would cause additional work for both the customer and the plugin-company. The idea only has disadvantages, no real advantages at all.

An analogy:

I decide to renovate my kitchen. For this I need a drill so I rent one from the hardware store.
I work on my kitchen for a month with the rented drill. Then for a myriad of reasons work on the kitchen stops. I return the drill.
Then a few weeks later I return working on it, and obviously need the drill again so I rent it again.

I could have either got all my drill work done initially (ie rendered), or if I still need it I re-rent it.

[aciddose]

i don't think you're really that ignorant are you?

no, im not ignorant of what i was comparing. you seem to be, though. try and remember that analogies rely on common factors, not complete one-for-one interchangability and you'll be fine.

blah blah. dont need an attempt at an irrelevant theory lecture on something i've got practical experience of, thanks.

that's all well and good. the issue is that you attempted to form an analogy that had very little if anything to do with his point. you need to factor in that you on one hand end up with something, and on the other with nothing.

my point was due to a mortgage you actually end up with far more than you started with rather than less. without the availability of loans and such most people could never afford to buy most of the things they regularly do.

yes, the same argument can be made for rental so long as you remain wholly ignorant of the fact that in the end, you don't hold anything.

of course rental would make sense if it meant reduced costs. you could rent a plugin only during the time you required it to produce a work and in that way pay far less than you otherwise would with a full purchase.

that only works if you're using the product for a period of time short enough to ensure the total cost is less. that was his point.

[whyterabbyt]

It would mean you couldn't properly open older projects anymore after the rent period of certain plugins had expired. Also it would cause additional work for both the customer and the plugin-company. The idea only has disadvantages, no real advantages at all.

An analogy:

I decide to renovate my kitchen. For this I need a drill so I rent one from the hardware store.
I work on my kitchen for a month with the rented drill. Then for a myriad of reasons work on the kitchen stops. I return the drill.
Then a few weeks later I return working on it, and obviously need the drill again so I rent it again.

I could have either got all my drill work done initially (ie rendered), or if I still need it I re-rent it.

The thing about that is, that its worth buying a £300 drill and renting it to people at £30 a day.
That's what rental companies do, even though you could instead have walked into Lidl and gotten a drill for £30.

But you dont go to Bosch or Black and Dekker and expect them to have a scheme whereby you can rent one of the drills they're trying to sell you. They dont have the infrastructure for that. And its probably not economic for them to do so.

[whyterabbyt]

that's all well and good. the issue is that you attempted to form an analogy that had very little if anything to do with his point.

Actually it dealt with one of his points fine, thanks.

[Mushy Mushy]

The thing about that is, that its worth buying a £300 drill and renting it to people at £30 a day.
That's what rental companies do, even though you could instead have walked into Lidl and gotten a drill for £30.

But you dont go to Bosch or Black and Dekker and expect them to have a scheme whereby you can rent one of the drills they're trying to sell you. They dont have the infrastructure for that. And its probably not economic for them to do so.

Ok I hear you, but...

... assuming the developer already has timed demo restrictions how hard can it possibly be to change that number of days to 14, 30 & 60?

I know Sean commented above that it's 30mins per format.
Not really all that significant IMO.

[aciddose]

that's all well and good. the issue is that you attempted to form an analogy that had very little if anything to do with his point.

Actually it dealt with one of his points fine, thanks.

which is that? you only attempted to draw an analogy between the increased cost of rental over a long time period and the interest paid in a loan. these are completely different concepts with completely different issues involved and the analogy simply can not be soundly formed.

i believe that he intended to provide a context in which a full purchase of the product would not be available, thereby ensuring that people who would otherwise want to make a full purchase would be forced to pay more for continuous rental fees.

a real analog would be if you were forced to get a mortgage in order to buy a house because it was made criminal by the government not to have involved the banks in the process.

that i believe would be considered fascist.

[whyterabbyt]

which is that? you only attempted to draw an analogy between the increased cost of rental over a long time period and the interest paid in a loan. these are completely different concepts with completely different issues involved and the analogy simply can not be soundly formed.

I prefer to stick to to using the dictionary definition of 'analogy', thanks.

a·nal·o·gy (-nl-j)
n. pl. a·nal·o·gies
1.
a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.
b. A comparison based on such similarity.

It suffices to draw an analogy between two classes of situations where a total cost over time is much higher than the up-front cost.

The fact that you're focussing on pointless minutiae within individual instances of one of those two classes is of no real relevance to that, any more than an erstwhile multi-paragraph 'lecture' on profiting from mortgages is.

i believe that he intended to provide a context in which a full purchase of the product would not be available, thereby ensuring that people who would otherwise want to make a full purchase would be forced to pay more for continuous rental fees.

a real analog would be if you were forced to get a mortgage in order to buy a house because it was made criminal by the government not to have involved the banks in the process.

that i believe would be considered fascist.

nonsensical straw man.

[aciddose]

nonsensical straw man.

ah good, you finally figured out what your post was and why i'm upset. good for you.

you were ultimately just trying to argue against his point by ad hominem through attacking him by positing a straw-man analogy.