KVR Audio

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:11 am

Obviously i never use that speed, im not completely stupid

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:25 am

AnX wrote:Adjectives dont make a noise.

This thread is so... interesting!

fluffy_little_something · Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:01 am

AnX wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Does the typical Fairlight voice patch sound warm or cold to people here? I like that sound a lot, but somehow I can't decide whether it sounds warm or cold to me.
Same goes for the DX7 synth basses.
Does it matter?

The question should be, "does this sound fit into my song?"

Its really that simple.

Adjectives dont make a noise.

Of course it doesn't matter. As I said I still like that old sound as it is, it is also included in Air's Xpand2, so I use it occasionally

I was merely wondering whether it sounds warm or cold because of this topic...

fluffy_little_something · Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:04 am

I noticed that even with bell sounds, which are all metallic by nature, some sound warm, others cold. Not sure yet why that is...

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:00 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:I noticed that even with bell sounds, which are all metallic by nature, some sound warm, others cold. Not sure yet why that is...

More even harmonics = warm, more odd harmonics = cold.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:06 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:I noticed that even with bell sounds, which are all metallic by nature, some sound warm, others cold. Not sure yet why that is...
More even harmonics = warm, more odd harmonics = cold.

So clarinets are cold, are they?

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:49 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:So clarinets are cold, are they?

Not if you set them on fire.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:53 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:I noticed that even with bell sounds, which are all metallic by nature, some sound warm, others cold. Not sure yet why that is...
More even harmonics = warm, more odd harmonics = cold.
So clarinets are cold, are they?

When played outside in winter.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:12 pm

foosnark wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:So clarinets are cold, are they?
Not if you set them on fire.

Yes.....

Q: What do you call 1000 burning clarinets?

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A: A good start

tapiodmitriyevich · Post by **tapiodmitriyevich** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:27 pm

Ha. I'm a clarinet player, since about 6 years. An instrument with an own will, sensitive components and... it's often trolling me. Love-hate.

Well in Sibelius "En Saga" ending it warms my heart. But overall, the Oboe to me sounds warmer. Friendlier. A bit more duck like. And ducks smile friendly and warm.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:04 pm

tapiodmitriyevich wrote:A bit more duck like.

I like this. You might be onto something:
"This bass is so elephant like".

The real trouble would start if we were to combine the two:
"This bass is so 'warm elephant' like, I think it needs more 'cold hyena' boost".

annode · Post by **annode** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:45 pm

This House Sho Gone Crazy!

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:07 pm

I believe it comes from a few sources. Analog tube amps react to their load (speaker) in an interactive way, which creates a bit of a filtering. When transistor amps became popular, people said they were "colder," because they don't interact with the speaker load at all. It can actually lead to better fidelity, but some people miss the effects of a tube output stage.

I also suspect that many vintage analog synths had designs where their filters never completely opened up. They were also run though things like tape delays that did not provide full bandwidth effects. Even tape has a filtering effect, especially when used in a multi-track recording where multiple takes were common. I was taught to record your first tracks with some boost to high frequencies, so that after rubbing up against the tape heads many times, early tracks still had some high end. Things like track bleed probably also contribute to a softening of sound from a tape too.

Then came digital. The sound of your first recorded track never changes. Synths like the DX7 don't even have filters. Early low bit depth samplers had lots of aliasing and other non harmonic related artifacts, which tended to make them sound harsh. (of course, this harshness could be used to make drums sound more cutting.) So, digital was branded "cold" and analog was branded "warm." But now, digital synths often show little or no artifacts, and analog synths have filters that open way up. So, those terms no longer make much sense, but people still use them.

fluffy_little_something · Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:10 pm

Reminds me of this

http://www.airmusictech.com/product/vacuum-pro

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:37 am

Well, it kind of seems like the OP was pointing towards synthesizers in the query, but the statement was 'people interested in instruments/sounds' that are cold or warm.

And then it went into other sounds/instruments.

I find that 'digital = cold'/'analog = warm' is far too reductive, at least in 2017 (or say 2011 really). I use things that are digital that aren't sterile or cold or anything but dirty and hot if we have to use language like that.
Then, is there nobody that could make a cold sound out of a Moog?

What is all that "warm" "Analog" - "cold" "digital" sound thing about?