The long DIVA thread

[Fritze]

The behaviour of the zero-delay-feedback filters, when pushed to the limits, demonstrate the advantages of this groundbreaking approach.

'demonstrate' could have the s, dependant upon whether it relates to 'behaviour' (singular) or 'behaviour of the filters' (plural).

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But it is "it demonstrates", right? Isn't behaviour a "it"? Google tells me it's correct but I'm german so ...

[Urs]

https://rapidshare.com/files/2939452791 ... son_01.zip

Hmmm... the Diva part sounds a bit like "draft" mode to me. The harsh resonance on the top end seems a bit odd... I'm only on my wife's computer though... everything sounds harsh here probably

[Howard]

This sentence isn't quite right:
Especially the behaviour of the zero-delay-feedback filters, when pushed to the limits, demonstrates the advantages of this groundbreaking approach.
You could say 'filters which, when pushed [...] demonstrate[no 's'!] the advantages... etc', which would then be grammatically correct.

No, *behaviour* is obviously the subject. Singular, therefore "demonstrates", not "demonstrate"

'demonstrate' could have the s, dependant upon whether it relates to 'behaviour' (singular) or 'behaviour of the filters' (plural).

'behaviour of the filters' is also singular!

[justin3am]

And i only used 20% of the Phatty's filter drive to keep it "fair".

Well, Diva has no "Overload"

Try using the rotary effect. Turn the stereo control all the way ccw and the balance all the to one side (either side). Then play with the drive and output parameters. I guess this is more like using a fuzz pedal but it can really beef up a sound and make it much more aggressive.

here is a bunch of patches I made...
http://www.3amnoise.net/diva_3am.zip

some patches have multiple variations, most showing the uglier side of Diva.

[hakey]

The behaviour of the zero-delay-feedback filters, when pushed to the limits, demonstrate the advantages of this groundbreaking approach.

'demonstrate' could have the s, dependant upon whether it relates to 'behaviour' (singular) or 'behaviour of the filters' (plural).

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But it is "it demonstrates", right? Isn't behaviour a "it"? Google tells me it's correct but I'm german so ...

You would say 'the behaviour demonstrates'. The problem here is that we're not talking about the behaviour of one thing - it's 'behaviour of the filters', so several behaviours (i.e. plural).

Tbh, it's a tricky one. Arguably either 'demonstrate' or 'demonstrates' are correct, but they both sound a bit wrong to my English ears.

[hakey]

'behaviour of the filters' is also singular!

Hmm, okay.

The sentence is still odd - the 'Especially' bit doesn't read at all well.

[Fritze]

The behaviour of the zero-delay-feedback filters, when pushed to the limits, demonstrate the advantages of this groundbreaking approach.

'demonstrate' could have the s, dependant upon whether it relates to 'behaviour' (singular) or 'behaviour of the filters' (plural).

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But it is "it demonstrates", right? Isn't behaviour a "it"? Google tells me it's correct but I'm german so ...

You would say 'the behaviour demonstrates'. The problem here is that we're not talking about the behaviour of one thing - it's 'behaviour of the filters', so several behaviours (i.e. plural).

Tbh, it's a tricky one. Arguably either 'demonstrate' or 'demonstrates' are correct, but they both sound a bit wrong to my English ears.

Hehehe, nevertheless: Diva uses a groundbreaking aproach and the results do sound very good to my german ears.
Peace

[necho2]

I'm with Howard on that one....

Just got to say to Urs and the team: I think Diva has set a new benchmark in software analogue emulation. I've never heard anything like it in software.

To my ears, the closest competitor (in terms of sonic accuracy) is Fxpansion's Strobe - but frankly, Diva kicks Strobe's arse.

Truly excellent work.

[Ingonator]

https://rapidshare.com/files/2939452791 ... son_01.zip

Hmmm... the Diva part sounds a bit like "draft" mode to me. The harsh resonance on the top end seems a bit odd... I'm only on my wife's computer though... everything sounds harsh here probably

Hi Urs,

no it's in "great" quality. I have changed the filter settings a bit in the second demo besides adding an additional filter drive (Schwa Oligarc Drive) to Diva.

The link is here if you missed it:
https://rapidshare.com/files/1098043213 ... son_02.zip


Ingo

[hakey]

Yeah, thinking it through, I was wrong about the 'demonstrates' bit.

But that wasn't really the point I was trying to make - the sentence as is just does not read well.

'Especially the behaviour of the zero-delay-feedback filters, when pushed to the limits, demonstrates the advantages of this groundbreaking approach.'

The 'especially' at the beginning throws the whole thing out of kilter. It reads to me like a clumsy translation into English.

[bh9090]

Urs -

I was kind of skeptical, maybe I'm just a pessimist.


But Holy S*#t. It sounds great. Very, very nice work.

[Urs]

https://rapidshare.com/files/1098043213 ... son_02.zip

That's cool. Maybe we'll add another distortion (besides the Rotary speaker) for that kind of sounds.

[hakey]

You could say 'filters which, when pushed [...] demonstrate[no 's'!] the advantages... etc', which would then be grammatically correct.

No, *behaviour* is obviously the subject. Singular, therefore "demonstrates", not "demonstrate"

Did you notice the 'which' that I'd added (so making the case for it being the 'filters' that 'demonstrate')?

'Especially the behaviour of the zero-delay-feedback filters which, when pushed to the limits, demonstrate the advantages of this groundbreaking approach.'

[Sendy]

'Especially the behaviour of the zero-delay-feedback filters, when pushed to the limits, demonstrates the advantages of this groundbreaking approach.'

How about:

'Especially the behaviour of the zero-delay-feedback filters, which when pushed to the limits, demonstrate the advantages of this groundbreaking approach.'

That makes the most sense to me, without changing the sentence too much. "Which when" sounds a bit awkward sonically, but informationally it feels more correct to me.

LOVING the moog triangle and saw/triangle waveforms. The minimoog has a very special sounding triangle which has a subtle high end sweetness and that really comes over here. I love how you can get the saw/triangle waveform by carefully adjusting the waveform knob.

I'm amazed at how freaking raspy and biting the DCO waveforms are too. When I first heard it, I thought I had the 'combed' waveforms selected it was so raspy, but then I noticed it was just a regular pulse and square subosc; when I switched it to the combed sawtooth and combed -1 pulse sub, it went off the freaking chart

Also, filters. And filter FM.

[Ingonator]

https://rapidshare.com/files/1098043213 ... son_02.zip

That's cool. Maybe we'll add another distortion (besides the Rotary speaker) for that kind of sounds.

Hi Urs,

yes an additional filter drive or Distortion would be great. I just tried it with the Drive in the rotary FX but the result is not really the same.
At the second example in that demo i just turned up the filter drive/overload of the Slim Phatty to around 75% (in the first demo it was around 20%).


Ingo