Oatmeal (mediocre free VSTi) - 37-4 (fixed Renoise problem)

VST, AU, AAX, CLAP, etc. Plugin Virtual Instruments Discussion
Post Reply New Topic
RELATED
PRODUCTS
Oatmeal

Post

ezeeboogie wrote:
grymmjack wrote:That thing has saved me so much time. I was going to make my own with the photoshop scripting sdk but why bother when he has already done it? Does your version work with stacking ? Mine bombs out on that (not a big deal as the other parts what I really need/use it for) phase/step.
Works fine here. What error message does it throw up (if any)?
I don't know the message off hand but something about Layer0 not available or object not available. I'll write it down next time I use knobrenderer.
ezeeboogie wrote:
I love that thing to pieces. I've got a pretty great workflow going. Now I just need to figure out how to make my life not as hellish when making pots that modify a graphic independent of rotation -- for example the default wusik skin how it has the bars of green that rise/grow as you turn it -- am I right assuming that this guy made it frame by frame do that? I have done something like it with the grainz pot for sknote with LEDs that emulated the novation vstation UI but it's nowhere near as cool. There has to be some trick my brain cant figure out though, I can't imagine 91 frames of bar modifications for a growing thing unrelated to rotation. :(

Any advice on this? That's the only thing I am missing in my workflow optimizations...
Although it's possible, I wouldn't use photoshop for that kind of thing, I find that sort of thing much easier and quicker in Adobe Flash (I don't own Flash but have access to a friends copy on his PC). I think it's something that you could also do in Image ready quite easily because it supports animated graphics. Photoshop is not the ideal environment for more complex animated graphics.

In Flash (and quite possibly Image Ready) you can set the start frame and end frame then "tween" between them to create a series of sequential images and them export the single frames. I could create graphics like your talking about in next to no time in Flash. I'm using it currently for some of the more unusual graphics that I'll be using in my own Synthedit/Synthmaker/other projects. ;)
Ah yeah, I've done that with imageready and flash too but what I can't figure out how to do is reveal more and more of an external circle shape as the knob rotates... Like I'm going for authenticity here and not flash masking with the circle shape (I thought of that too but it didn't look authentic at all with a gradient -- the colors darker at lower values and brighter at higher values as the pot rotates to the right... Like the default wusik knobs do. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.

I have used tweening in ImageReady for fader graphics, and flash for tweening and adding dots too but keeping the vector line as a vector in flash makes thin lines wobble as flash interpolates what is happening -- hence I use knobrenderer for that, but.. To see an example grab the grainz plugin from sknote.it and look at the big pot with LEDs, it's clear that there is wobble happening because of the vector antialiasing for the rotation.

For that LED I saved the LEDs as transparent PNG files, for each state (I think there were 15 LEDs so that means 16 PNGs; all LEDs off, LED 1 on, LEDs 1 and 2 on, etc, to 15. And then tweened the knob rotation (actually just the line which as I said was vector) as needed, then created a layer in flash above that with the LEDs -- because they were PNGs they showed through the pots it was fine. I created 16 keyframes at each state where the line would touch the LED or about.. The downside is the antialiasing/interpolation of the line in the tween was wobbly a bit.

Hrm. I guess if I animated/tweened a mask instead of what was under the mask it would be more authentic -- do you know if masked objects in flash tweens can be rotated along a motion guide? A mask window that moved with rotation would solve my problem if it snapped to a elipsoidal guide. Hrm... :)

sorry for babbling..

Post

Heh, I'll look into it. I *think* it is but I can't remember! I'll send you a reply by PM tomorrow because I don't want to clog up this already bloated thread with our graphics chatter! There have been enough attempted hijacks in this thread to last a lifetime! :lol:
Image

Post

Ok, sorry I wasn't trying to hijack. Oatmeal rules.

Post

I feel bad now! :oops:

I wasn't accusing you of hijacking, I just meant if we carried on it would turn into a hijacking! Oh and Oatmeal does indeed rule! :)
Image

Post

Going back to my "Nord" skin, one thing I almost forgot to mention to everyone was that over the next few days I'm going to redo all the Button graphics in my skins (the wave shape selectors, Lfo shape selectors, filter types etc) because they were a bit of a quick "fudge" to get this skin out quickly (you guys pressured me into it!).

I really don't like the current ones because they don't sit very well on the GUI and thats pissing me off now. I've just renewed my webhosting so they'll be up as soon as they are complete (in a selection of delightful colours, I might add!). So watch this space...

@grymmjack, until you get chance to do your own skin do you want to suggest a pallete of colours for an ezee/grymmjack collaboration? I do like the colour combinations you've used on some of your other skins. Send me a PM if you want to suggest anything. :)

I'm also thinking of asking a couple of other people whose colour "flair" I admire... pHz can expect a PM for starters! :)
Image

Post

Hi ezeeboogie--

I just pm'd you, but I'm going to be gone for awhile. Thanks for all the work you're putting into this!

Tom

Post

ezeeboogie wrote:Going back to my "Nord" skin, one thing I almost forgot to mention to everyone was that over the next few days I'm going to redo all the Button graphics in my skins (the wave shape selectors, Lfo shape selectors, filter types etc) because they were a bit of a quick "fudge" to get this skin out quickly (you guys pressured me into it!).

I really don't like the current ones because they don't sit very well on the GUI and thats pissing me off now. I've just renewed my webhosting so they'll be up as soon as they are complete (in a selection of delightful colours, I might add!). So watch this space...

@grymmjack, until you get chance to do your own skin do you want to suggest a pallete of colours for an ezee/grymmjack collaboration? I do like the colour combinations you've used on some of your other skins. Send me a PM if you want to suggest anything. :)

I'm also thinking of asking a couple of other people whose colour "flair" I admire... pHz can expect a PM for starters! :)
Hey, while you guys are all talking about it, is there any chance we can get some brushed metal stuff (the brushed metal can have colors too.) :-) Just a request. :-)

--Sean

Post

audiojunkie wrote:Hey, while you guys are all talking about it, is there any chance we can get some brushed metal stuff (the brushed metal can have colors too.) :-) Just a request. :-)

--Sean
Maybe. I tend to think brushed metal suits simpler interfaces with more space like Vanguard. On tighter interfaces like Oatmeals there isn't much space for the brushed metal to show through which lessens the effect considerably. I'll see how it looks though, I might be wrong! :)
Image

Post

Cool, thanks!

--Sean

Post

Oatmeal has the most bland looking GUI and the worst name in history, but the features & sound are amazing. It really is a classic example of don't judge a book [synth] by it's cover [GUI].

Many thanks to Fuzzpilz for this great synth.

Post

Agreed. I love this synth! Oatmeal and Synth 1 are my two favorite "Bread-n-Butter" synths. Neither really looks that great, but they both sound great!!! Also, Oatmeal has a potential to look great (when using some of the great skins out there). I've been doing side-by-side comparisons, and to my ears, they are actually very different sounding instruments, and both are handy -- but overall, I think I actually like Oatmeal better.

--Sean

Post

Paul Eye wrote:Hmm...I have a bug report:
It seems like you've accidentally swapped the labels for the XY Pad and Mod Envelope targets. Clicking the labels to scroll through the targets, in both targets Cut1 (C1) comes first, followed by Cut2 (C2) and Resonance (FR). Then when the XY Pad target is set to the next target (Filter Env Mod) the label shows A1 which is the next target (Amp 1) in line for the Mod Envelope. And vice versa the next Mod Envelope target shows FE which is the next target (Filter Env Mod) in line for the XY Pad.
Time for a fewrite of the .oms file?
Confirmed. I'm just reworking the button graphics, I'll put up the new version with a corrected oms as soon as I can.
Image

Post

ezeeboogie wrote:Going back to my "Nord" skin, one thing I almost forgot to mention to everyone was that over the next few days I'm going to redo all the Button graphics in my skins (the wave shape selectors, Lfo shape selectors, filter types etc) because they were a bit of a quick "fudge" to get this skin out quickly (you guys pressured me into it!).

I really don't like the current ones because they don't sit very well on the GUI and thats pissing me off now. I've just renewed my webhosting so they'll be up as soon as they are complete (in a selection of delightful colours, I might add!). So watch this space...

@grymmjack, until you get chance to do your own skin do you want to suggest a pallete of colours for an ezee/grymmjack collaboration? I do like the colour combinations you've used on some of your other skins. Send me a PM if you want to suggest anything. :)

I'm also thinking of asking a couple of other people whose colour "flair" I admire... pHz can expect a PM for starters! :)
Yeah man I'd love to suggest some, hrm. Using your nord as template? I'll do a quick coloring if you want and PM.

Post

audiojunkie wrote:Agreed. I love this synth! Oatmeal and Synth 1 are my two favorite "Bread-n-Butter" synths. Neither really looks that great, but they both sound great!!! Also, Oatmeal has a potential to look great (when using some of the great skins out there). I've been doing side-by-side comparisons, and to my ears, they are actually very different sounding instruments, and both are handy -- but overall, I think I actually like Oatmeal better.

--Sean
Agree with you on both being awesome free go-to BnB (that's bread and butter not beavis and butthead :P), but why do you like oatmeal better? Not disagreeing or invalidating your opinion by asking either no bait here, just asking man to man.

I like the oatmeal personality. I think fuzzywuz should add some more of that into it and not just at using the random button, but actually give him a personality or a mode switch where you touch things and he starts blabbing. I've always been fascinated by the random and eerie way computers and minimal emulation of human conversations play out. You guys remember Dr. Sbaitso? It came with creative soundblaster cards (this is in the before time, in the long long ago). The program had a speech synthesis engine and actually used an old copy of ELIZA one of the first attempts at AI started on mainframes by the bearded hacking birthgivers. Anyway, it would be neat. Oatmeal is like a phenomenon in itself. It's a brave thing fuz did and I can't wait to see what this kooky bastard does next. :)

It's too bad that icharo toda doesn't come here and rap with us. I wonder if he has an inkling of an idea how much he is appreciated? It's incredible honor though I think for fuzpills to read about his synth knocking down a legend.

Please elaborate what you find better about it than Synth1 though, so that we can all appreciate it. Sometimes I personally overlook the most basic important things because I take things for granted.

Post

grymmjack wrote:
audiojunkie wrote:Agreed. I love this synth! Oatmeal and Synth 1 are my two favorite "Bread-n-Butter" synths. Neither really looks that great, but they both sound great!!! Also, Oatmeal has a potential to look great (when using some of the great skins out there). I've been doing side-by-side comparisons, and to my ears, they are actually very different sounding instruments, and both are handy -- but overall, I think I actually like Oatmeal better.

--Sean
Agree with you on both being awesome free go-to BnB (that's bread and butter not beavis and butthead :P), but why do you like oatmeal better? Not disagreeing or invalidating your opinion by asking either no bait here, just asking man to man.

I like the oatmeal personality. I think fuzzywuz should add some more of that into it and not just at using the random button, but actually give him a personality or a mode switch where you touch things and he starts blabbing. I've always been fascinated by the random and eerie way computers and minimal emulation of human conversations play out. You guys remember Dr. Sbaitso? It came with creative soundblaster cards (this is in the before time, in the long long ago). The program had a speech synthesis engine and actually used an old copy of ELIZA one of the first attempts at AI started on mainframes by the bearded hacking birthgivers. Anyway, it would be neat. Oatmeal is like a phenomenon in itself. It's a brave thing fuz did and I can't wait to see what this kooky bastard does next. :)

It's too bad that icharo toda doesn't come here and rap with us. I wonder if he has an inkling of an idea how much he is appreciated? It's incredible honor though I think for fuzpills to read about his synth knocking down a legend.

Please elaborate what you find better about it than Synth1 though, so that we can all appreciate it. Sometimes I personally overlook the most basic important things because I take things for granted.
I think it's a personality thing actually. In other words, it's the little things that do it for me. They are both really great, and I like the sound of both (though they are different).

Personally,

* I like the distortion effect of Oatmeal more.

* I also like the randomize button.

* I like the effects better (overall) in Oatmeal.

* I like the skinning (More opportunity for me to choos the skin I WANT to work with.)

* I like the capability that Oatmeal has for making fairly realistic sounding organ patches (versatility).

Like I said, it's the little things... and it doesn't mean that I'm putting down Synth 1 in ANY WAY. I like and use them both a lot.

Synth 1 has a warmer sound to my ears, and Oatmeal has a colder, more crisp sound to my ears. I can't say that I would really use one MORE than the other, because I see them as having their own particular uses, however, I just like the feel of Oatmeal better.

I hope that I have been able to explain my personal preferences to some degree. :-)

--Sean

Post Reply

Return to “Instruments”