Recording Master Out into a track

[declassified]

I'd like to record the master out of tracktion (or even better: the output of a particular track) into a new track.
For example, when I have a synth controlled by MIDI with a long FX chain after it, and I like the sound I just created, how can I resample the output of the whole chain to be able to delete the chain and free up resources?

Are there better solutions than TapeIt, etc.? For example something like Senderella or a virtual Asio input?

[Beno]

Why don't you just render the track or export the entire edit and reimport the wave file?
Ben

[rpc9943]

FR: Record routed tracks.

details:

when routed tracks are sent to a track, we should be able to select "routed channels" as a record line in.

RoNC

[Beno]

Right, I see the feature request, but that doesn't answer my question. What in particular do you wish to do that render is not allowing?
Ben

[rpc9943]

im guessing he's talking about something that is "randomish" or something that wont happen more than once

RONC

[Lunch Money]

Yes, but that's just a guess. How about we wait to find out....

An oddball guess, too, though. If it's random, how are you to know that it will sound any good the time it's being recorded? Better to render 10 copies and cross-fade in and out of the parts that turned out 'interesting' in the case of a plug-in that generates random information.

Greg

[Beno]

Yup, that is why I answered his question as I did, to try to find out more information. Or maybe he just hasn't found the render track command (which is incedentally in the properties area when a track is selected).
Ben

[rpc9943]

well id ont know i dont agree with using tapeit and all that garbage, but the thing is, is its been requested before, so i'd figure i'd chime in.

RONC

[Beno]

Right but why has it been requested before? Sure it'd be cool, but is there a functionality that is missing that this would fill? Or is it an anoyance with the rendering implementation that can be improved?

I'm just trying to understand whether this is a request for a different way to do something that can already be done, a better way to do something that can already be done, or a way to do something that can't be done. And believe me, when I am asking these types of questions, it is for a very good reason.
Ben

[fjell_strom]

It's funny you ask this question because I'm trying to find the same answer at the moment but for use with Cubase. Thing is - I remember long ago achieving this exact result by changing parameters in the soundcard (at that time, Creative Audigy NX USB) to record not from the Line Input but to record from the "What You Hear" setting, which in my case meant whatever was running through the soundcard. I would flip the "record" indicator on the new track I wanted to record into and then press play, having marked "Solo" the track I wanted to "burn" into the new track.

The sound of the single solo track would be recorded straight into the new one. But somehow this doesn't work anymore on my new creative card and my m-audio card doesn't have a "What You Hear" recording option so far as I know.

[Lunch Money]

You're still not saying what you need it for, though.

If you REALLY want to do this, you COULD just physically rout the cables from your output to your input and record it. I don't necessarily recommend it, but it's an option.

I'm starting to become curious about why people need this feature. If it's for realtime recording of effects manipulations, I recommend recording automation instead. If it's for capturing 'random' behaviour, I recommend multiple renders and cross-fading.

I just can't imagine what real-time recording offers that render doesn't, but there may in fact BE something I'm missing.

[fjell_strom]

I'm starting to become curious about why people need this feature. If it's for realtime recording of effects manipulations, I recommend recording automation instead.

Could you expand a little, Greg? What is "recording automation"? Excuse the ignorance.

[Lunch Money]

Sure! If you look at the transport controls in the bottom right of Tracktion, there are special smaller record and play buttons (with an "A" on them I believe, though I don't have it loaded!). If the record button is active, then any changes done to the VST parameters of a plug-in will be 'recorded' as an automation curve. The automation curve may later be edited or deleted as you so desire. Making the 'automation play' button active will play back this recorded automation along with your song. Disabling it will keep the automation intact, but won't play it back.

In Cubase, you can also arm automation recording, though I don't know how to do it in Cubase. I think it's a small button in the mixer channel for the track you're working on. Not sure if Cubase lets you easily edit or delete curves, but there's definitely automation recording and playback.

These changes can be made with a mouse and the plug-in itself, or via a MIDI controller.

Greg

[djsubject]

Output to Input loop back would be good for recording live stuff in one recording take (instead of one + a render) so its not a OMG T2 dose not have this put it in the bin problem, but it would be a cool little add-on.

this is sort of how l work except my loop back comes from the external mixing desk, so l can heve extehavernal stuff playing aswell in my recording

& some peapole prefer a live bounce as opposed to a off-line render

i'm not to bothered about that FR because l would never use it (if it dose get put in can we still have the option to disable it in the settings page plz)


Subz

[Lunch Money]

If it DOES get put in, I suspect it'll be in true Tracktion form-- You can set up your track as an "input" device. So, if you enable a track as an "output", instead of outputting to a particular track (or maybe in conjunction with outputting to a particular track), it then appears as an input like any other input device, which you can then point at whatever track you want.

Therefore, since it doesn't just appear, it WOULD be disabled by default.

Greg