2 tracks, one controls the other's stereo position. why?
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- KVRAF
- 5266 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
I recorded a lead track. I have it running through a rack for some effects. I recorded another track to double the first running through the same rack. The second track can be panned wherever I like, the first one always follows the position of the second and can't be moved. How can I pan one to the left and the other to the right?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Hrm. I might be a bit confused by what's going on, so a screenshot of the 2 and their filters might help, however, until I get a clearer picture, here are a few things to be aware of:
- Copy+paste of tracks OR filters will copy the automation curves.
- If the panning occurs WITHIN the rack, it will be reflected in all tracks containing that rack.
Now, in the meantime, and just to 'clear it all up' (ie. regardless of any guesswork I can make, this will work):
- Select the clip(s) in the first track, and copy and paste them into a brand-new, pristine, empty track. Automation is not linked to clips, but to tracks and filters
- Do the same for the second track. Get the clips and pop them into a brand new pristine track.
- Go to your carefully-crafted rack and save it as a preset (to do this, click on the rack and "show contents of this rack" if needed, then "manage rack presets" and then "add this rack to list of presets)
- In each of your new 'pristine' tracks, drag a new copy of your newly-saved rack preset
- delete the entire old copies of the 2 tracks, leaving only your new 'pristine' ones intact.
All should work now, assuming that the actual contents of the rack are not doing a number on the signal's panning location.
If all is NOT working, then it's time to examine the rack's contents for potential problems.
Greg
- Copy+paste of tracks OR filters will copy the automation curves.
- If the panning occurs WITHIN the rack, it will be reflected in all tracks containing that rack.
Now, in the meantime, and just to 'clear it all up' (ie. regardless of any guesswork I can make, this will work):
- Select the clip(s) in the first track, and copy and paste them into a brand-new, pristine, empty track. Automation is not linked to clips, but to tracks and filters
- Do the same for the second track. Get the clips and pop them into a brand new pristine track.
- Go to your carefully-crafted rack and save it as a preset (to do this, click on the rack and "show contents of this rack" if needed, then "manage rack presets" and then "add this rack to list of presets)
- In each of your new 'pristine' tracks, drag a new copy of your newly-saved rack preset
- delete the entire old copies of the 2 tracks, leaving only your new 'pristine' ones intact.
All should work now, assuming that the actual contents of the rack are not doing a number on the signal's panning location.
If all is NOT working, then it's time to examine the rack's contents for potential problems.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
is the 2,nd track being sent to the first track? (as in the first track that's pan is affecting both tracks)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5266 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
Thanks Greg, the rack contains AmplitubeLE, Spectralive and Voxengo Tempo Delay. Right or wrong they are in that order. The track were not outputting to each other so that was cool. There were no active automation parameters. All I did was a clean record of 2 separate tracks. I did just drag the rack from the first track but when I was presented with this panning issue I deleted it and dragged it from the rack itself. You saved me though. Both tracks are panning as they should now so I'm happy. Thanks for taking the time to help me out. Much appreciated.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
No worries, mate. 
Even though you're sorted, the other thing to be aware of is the order of the filters. If the rack was placed AFTER one of the track's volume/pan filters, it might've been sending that information, too.
I'd have to experiment to find out if that's what would happen for sure, but I imagine it would!
Either way, glad you have it sorted!
Even though you're sorted, the other thing to be aware of is the order of the filters. If the rack was placed AFTER one of the track's volume/pan filters, it might've been sending that information, too.
I'd have to experiment to find out if that's what would happen for sure, but I imagine it would!
Either way, glad you have it sorted!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5266 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
I've had problems before with the order of filters, so that is one of the first things I try when I get a bug in the eye. You saved me though, sometimes you just have to go back to the start.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5266 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
It happened again, I recorded on a track and I can't change the panning. It is stuck to the left. No automation on this track. All it has is SimulanalogJCM and Crunchessor. I remove Crunchessor and pan control returns. If I put it back I lose pan control. The track below it has the same plugins but no pan problem Is my version of T2 haunted?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
You probably deleted a region in your song, or recycled an edit that deleted a region, or no? There's a bug with deleting an entire region of a song. It's fixed in the forthcoming release-- don't think Mackie would mind if I mentioned that.
I THINK that if you select your volume and then your pan automation curves and use the "delete all automation on this curve" function it will clear it up, but the problem will infect every track that was in your edit at the time, which is a hassle. I'm not entirely positive it'll clear it up, but it was explained to me that some sort of 'invisible' or at least 'out of the way' automation node appears when the bug is invoked.
I don't think it's necessarily limited to vol/pan, either-- here's a way to check on things:
Right-click the "A" and look into the "active parameter curves" sub-menu. Any active curves will be in there, including ones that were invoked by this bug.
If that's not it, then yes you have a haunted Tracktion.
Greg
I THINK that if you select your volume and then your pan automation curves and use the "delete all automation on this curve" function it will clear it up, but the problem will infect every track that was in your edit at the time, which is a hassle. I'm not entirely positive it'll clear it up, but it was explained to me that some sort of 'invisible' or at least 'out of the way' automation node appears when the bug is invoked.
I don't think it's necessarily limited to vol/pan, either-- here's a way to check on things:
Right-click the "A" and look into the "active parameter curves" sub-menu. Any active curves will be in there, including ones that were invoked by this bug.
If that's not it, then yes you have a haunted Tracktion.
Greg
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
hmmmnnn ... some random thoughts ...
... i seem to remember issues with the simulanalog plugins WAY back in tracktion ...
... in the first version of bram bos new tunafish sequencer ALL voxengo plugins were processing left channel only ...
... any chance you could archive the edit and post it so we can check it out on our setups ???
slainte
rob
... i seem to remember issues with the simulanalog plugins WAY back in tracktion ...
... in the first version of bram bos new tunafish sequencer ALL voxengo plugins were processing left channel only ...
... any chance you could archive the edit and post it so we can check it out on our setups ???
slainte
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- KVRAF
- 6740 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from sheffield, england
Are the plugs pre or post fader? Try adding a Vol / Pan filter after them if there is not one already.. (The simulanog plugs are mono IIRC)morelia wrote:It happened again, I recorded on a track and I can't change the panning. It is stuck to the left. No automation on this track. All it has is SimulanalogJCM and Crunchessor. I remove Crunchessor and pan control returns. If I put it back I lose pan control. The track below it has the same plugins but no pan problem Is my version of T2 haunted?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5266 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
Thanks everyone, the effects are pre fader and it seems the problem went away when I deleted Crunchessor. Although no problems on the other tracks with the same plugs. I'll look forward to the update and see if I am still having problems. IMO there are a few random automation glitches though. I had a blank sonk start changing presets with Wusikstation one day. At the same point in the song it reset to a preset that I nerver selected. I had not even touched the automation. I rarely use automation so am pretty sure that when there is a problem that I know whether it would be related to that. Life goes on.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5266 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
I'll load it up when I get the chance and if the problem persists, I'll archive itpHz wrote:hmmmnnn ... some random thoughts ...
... i seem to remember issues with the simulanalog plugins WAY back in tracktion ...
... in the first version of bram bos new tunafish sequencer ALL voxengo plugins were processing left channel only ...
... any chance you could archive the edit and post it so we can check it out on our setups ???
slainte
Thanks
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Wusikstation responds poorly to MIDI messages that you may not even realize you're sending to it. I had to use MIDI Ox to filter out a bunch of crap before WusikStation became responsive.
That wasn't necessarily WS's fault, though... my 'keyboard' (har har) is a piece of crap.
Greg
I had to use MIDI Ox to filter out a bunch of crap before WusikStation became responsive.That wasn't necessarily WS's fault, though... my 'keyboard' (har har) is a piece of crap.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5266 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
I think I have the biggest piece of crap. Ever hear of a MiDiPLUS? The only good side is 4octaves and a cheap price tag.Lunch Money wrote:... my 'keyboard' (har har) is a piece of crap.
Greg